Lalita Kaur: "To all people around the world"
Spongbob Bikini Bottom "Spongebob is a very innocent, hardworking, trustworthy person who loves jellyfishing and does everything Mr. Krabs or Squidward tells him to do. SpongeBob is a very forgiving person, he doesn't realize how much Mr. Krabs and Squidward are using him. Even though Squidward doesn't like him at all he still considers him as a friend because he doesn't know that Squidward doesn't like him at all. He still believes in Santa Claus who is known to bring presents for every child in the world."
December 15, 2005
In firstname.lastname@example.org, "jagbir singh"
Last night my daughter Lalita came into my room to meditate after decorating the Christmas tree. (Earlier she and her eldest brother had pleaded with me to buy the tree right away from the nearby mall. BTW, we always celebrate the Christmas of Shri Jesus, not Santa Claus.)
Lalita sat on the bed beside me and whispered in my ears that she has something to tell me. i asked her what it was. Lalita replied she had a wonderful experience where, while meditating, she requested Shri Mataji to pour all Her goodness into her. As soon as she made that request a tremendous amount of Cool Breeze (Ruach) began to flow out of her hands.
But Lalita never expected the Cool Breeze to be "sooooo much", to the extend that her hands became quite cold. That made her rub the hands all over her face, arms, legs and body as the torrent of Cool Breeze (Ruach) just kept on flowing. It was the only way to warm them, all the more since it is winter here. Her hands were indeed cold and she had to use her body heat to make them warm and comfortable again. That must indeed have been a lot of Cool Wind.
"The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear its sound, but don't know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit." John 3.8
i know Lalita had a great experience because she almost never talks about them ............ unless something extraordinary happens.
i thanked her and told her to continue meditation, which she did. There was no image or altar to put external attention, just on the Divine Mother within.
i lay in bed thinking of her experience which had moved me. Here was a child saying something that i had not experienced, perhaps because i still do not have the genuine innocence that children have despite years of meditating. That was when i thought of Chuck and felt in my heart that here is a few months-old SY who is capable of achieving a state that Shri Mataji wants us to attain:
When asked who was the greatest in the Kingdom of God, Jesus answered, "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like children, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Whoever becomes humble like this child is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven. Whoever welcomes one such child in My name welcomes Me." [Mt. 18:1-3]
with love and season's greetings,
Today my father questioned me again on what happened when I asked Shri Mataji to give me some of her goodness. He asked me if I put my hands over my head and body because my hands were feeling cold, I answered no, it was because I was actually putting the goodness She gave me all over my body. My dad asked me to write my experience in my own words onto the forum so that I can correct his misunderstanding ...
My dad was sleeping when I woke him up at 12:30 AM to tell him what happened yesterday morning. He was probably half-asleep like he is a heavy sleeper, and maybe because I whispered too softly he couldn't really hear what I was trying to say. It happened like this ... A few days ago I went to meditate and after when I was finished meditating I stood up in front of Shri Mataji's photo my eyes open, I asked her to please give me some of her goodness. As soon a I was done asking her my hands were filled with lots and lots of Cool breeze, the amount was unimaginable. She was pouring it on my hands a lot of it. After a while I took my hands and rubbed them softly over my head and body to spread the goodness over me. Then I was so shocked I stood there speechless looking at my hands for quite a while. I then rubbed my hands together and thanked Shri Mataji repeating a few times over and over and then went to bed thinking of the feeling of the Cool breeze. Well now at least you all understand what I was trying to explain.
This is my first time writing on the forum. I am now eleven years old and started meditating as soon as I started walking, at the young age of 3 years old. I like to meditate as I get to talk to Shri Mataji. My father reminds me every day how important it is for me to meditate, to stay a "good girl", to study and to be an educated person. Shri Mataji, Shri Ganesha, Shri Jesus, Shri Krishna, Shri Shiva are all true and that I have met them. I clearly remember when I was small every week they used to have a small Sahaja Yogi's gathering. But as soon as my dad started explaining on the internet whatever happened to Kash, Arwin and me there were no more, not until now. Most of the people don't believe what my dad is trying to explain on the internet, 99% of the Sahaja Yogi's are against us, why? I have no idea why is that. I understand it is hard to believe because if a little girl told me the same thing I wouldn't really believe it unless she has a lot of proof or I have seen it happen. But my dad has every piece of proof all of you need! What is there not to believe!
My brother Shahwin has just told me that people don't believe what we are trying to prove and that they think that we are "possessed"!!! POSSESSED!?!? Just because Kash, Arwin and me can see Shri Mataji or any other Yogi that doesn't mean that we are possessed. I am just a normal girl, happy little girl who still loves SpongeBob. All my friends think I am normal and anyways if I were possessed I don't even think I would have any friends
I don't understand why people do not believe us, my dad is just writing down what we experienced onto the internet so people can see and BELIEVE. Why would people call us possessed? I am normal! What is there not to believe? Why do some people hate us? My brother Shahwin has said to my dad if people hate us, at least have a reason to hate us so we can think "Yeah, maybe we are like that." But if you have no reason to hate then, WHAT IS THE POINT?
Right now I'm too young to do anything for the world but when I'm older I'll help , and when my father will be gone to heaven I'll join him after a while. This isn't the only life there is ... Earth is just a temporary place to live. The Last Judgment is taking place, be good, lead a joyous life, then after when you die you'll go to heaven and it's a much better life up there. The spirit world exists. Believe in God.
To all people around the world,
Responds from forum members to Lalita
December 15, 2005
i hardly know what to say. i felt so many different emotions when i read your Post. You are only eleven years old, Lalita, but if i did not know that, i would think you were much older, because your spiritual wisdom excels that of many adults.
i also do not know why 99% of Sahaja Yogis have done that and said that you are all 'possessed', but i think it comes out of fear. People are afraid of what they cannot comprehend or understand. It helps them if they can put a 'label' on to something, which is like an explanation for them.... and then they can dismiss it and forget about it. They don't have to face it then. It's gone... see.... but you are not gone! You are here and when they read what you have written, maybe it will give them pause for thought.
i remember a Sahaja Yogini from Australia telling me about all of you being removed from Dharamsala, because her children were there at the time, too. Of course, at that time, i did not know who she was talking about. i did not know about you then. She basically told me that she could not believe they had removed these children who were the 'sweetest of children' from the school and called them as "possessed." i know that she must have been very shocked and upset to tell a fairly new yogini like myself about it. And i can tell you there were at least two, maybe more mothers i heard who were deeply shocked about what happened, because i heard them discuss it. Maybe, i was told so i can tell you now that there were Mothers of Children who did care and were concerned about what happened to you.
As you say, Lalita, we are in the Last Judgment and Resurrection Time.... and everyone is going to have to face up to a lot more than the fact that three young people can meditate and meet Shri Mataji, Shri Ganesha, Shri Jesus, Shri Krishna, Shri Shiva and others when they go into meditation. There will probably be more people born with this ability, so that eventually it will become more common and not feared. i would like to say that i enjoyed your post very much and would like to welcome you to this forum. Please feel free to write anytime the Spirit leads you.
Love and best wishes,
Welcome to the group.
I appreciate the efforts your dad and your family has put in to spread the divine message. your mail really moved me and I can feel the pain in it. But dont worry, Shri Mataji will work out good and nice.
Your sentence "When my father will be gone to heaven I'll join him after a while ." is too much for us. We dont talk about death and other things though that is reality.
You know what. Every one knows that we are going to die one day. But it never comes in our mind that I am going to die one day. Maybe today or this moment. You know why? Because "I" means the spirit and that is eternal. So how can "I" talk or think about something which is not just possible. In this case Death.
I know your dad and your family are tired telling the people and more frustrating when they dont understand. Even you the small child is affected.
But believe me, everything will work out fine. Divine's game plan is all set.
Jai Shri Mataji
You're a very sweet lovely girl, and you do not have to explain or defend what you experience to anyone, unless the sharing gives you joy. The important thing is how you yourself feel. Just be at peace, and do not worry and feel hurt about what people say. I'm sorry about the way your family has been hurt and accused, and I hope that these things can be left behind.
I want to first thank you and your children for the brave work you all are doing. Your children are very special in my heart. I mean that in a very sincere manner.
I want to concur that we MUST not be afraid of offending public sensibilities. I had a very nice girl come in my office yesterday whom I had never met. I told her the truth, and explained Sahaja Yoga to her in the only way I knew how. I told her of the cool breeze and gave her the web site. She called me on the phone and told me how fascinating the web site is. I told her how to go to the forum and asked her to read Lalita's post. She e-mailed me back and explained how touched she was and thanked me.
My point is, we must always be truthful when presenting Sahaja Yoga. I came to the web site quite accidentally because someone had mentioned that according to the Mayan Calendar, the world would end in 2012. Well, being curious, I searched Mayan Calendar, searched prophecy, and that is how I found your web site. I explained to her that when I got into Yoga, I was not doing Yoga for health reasons. It was strictly for spiritual reasons.
Thanks So much Jagbir and for your children and as I have said before, you all are truly blessed by God.
We are all one family and have the same mother. So even though there might be some differences between the brothers and sisters sometimes, we are all united in thought and action and feel hurt when one of us is hurt and feel happy when someone achieves happiness and success. This is all built within and we are all connected.
You dont worry about anything. We are all one with you. Dont feel alone ever. We all appreciate your efforts and determination to fight singlehanded the negative forces. It's our duty and mission too to spread Sahajayoga in a true way. We shall do our best. May Shri Mataji give courage, strength, resources and determination to spread the light of truth?
Jai Shri Mataji
Lalita's response to forum members
December 17, 2005
Dear Aunties and Uncles,
Thanks you for all your replies .
I have read your posts and I find it hard to answer because I am still a kid living in a SpongeBob world. So I will use this cartoon I love as my answer.
Spongebob is a very innocent, hardworking, trustworthy person who loves jellyfishing and does everything Mr. Krabs or Squidward tells him to do. SpongeBob is a very forgiving person, he doesn't realize how much Mr. Krabs and Squidward are using him. Even though Squidward doesn't like him at all he still considers him as a friend because he doesn't know that Squidward doesn't like him at all. He still believes in Santa Claus who is known to bring presents for every child in the world.
Patrick is a very innocent person too, he is SpongeBob's best friend and I mostly think because they are both very innocent, trustworthy, both believe in Santa Claus and he too loves Jelly fishing.
Sandy is a warm hearted squirrel, a little bit hypocrite but is still a good friend. She is very strong and muscular, and is very active. She cares a lot for SpongeBob.
Mr. Krabs is like the real world out there, he is a very bad and cruel person, he would do anything to get money out of something. In one of SpongeBob episodes Mr. Krabs used SpongeBob by asking him to go and catch a lot of Jellyfishes so he could use them to make a new Krabby patty recipe and make more money by selling them in his restaurant. And in another episode The flying Dutchman was to take him to go to Davis Jones locker because he is very selfish and needs a punishment, a smelly and rotten place (Something like jail). But SpongeBob stood up for him and when the flying Dutchman said if Mr. Krabs would sell his soul for all the money he had in his pocket Mr. Krabs asked how much, the flying Dutchman then said 68 cents, he accepted, and because of that SpongeBob had to take his punishment instead of him going to Davis Jones locker.
Squidward is something like Mr. Krabs but a little different. He is mean, dull, boring but loves art and loves playing his clarinet. He hates SpongeBob because he think he is annoying, too childish and not mature enough to be his friend. He always ignores SpongeBob and his best friend Patrick as he wants to be away from them. No matter how mean he is to them, they still say that he is their friend. He once wanted to move to another town so he could have some peace, but unfortunately he never has the chance to do so.
I live in a Bikini Bottom world and I hope to stay there for as long as possible before I enter the real world ...
This will be my last time replying on the forum as I do not think I should be doing any work over here, because I am still a kid and a kid shouldn't worry about anything at all, and anyways I think my world is better!
I would just like to remind you all that I am not really affected by whatever other people say about me because if they don't want to believe us it's alright with me. And I don't think about that a lot so I don't really remember every day. My father told me if I'm going to continue on the forum I might be affected by everything they are saying because some Sahaja Yogis are just like that. But I would like to tell them that the Spirit World is full of SpongeBobs and Patricks there are no Mr. Krabs, no Squidwards, or any Planktons there.
Merry Christmas to all,
Dear Jagbir and All,
As a Fundamentalist Christian, i was brought up to believe that the Wind that the Disciples of Jesus felt on the Day of Pentecost was a 'once-off' experience that happened especially at Jesus's Time and that it does not happen today. When i would anxiously ask my parents why it cannot happen today, they would say that "It is a different dispensation today... this was special for Jesus's time only and it does not happen in our Time." When i asked "Why not?" they would say that.... "This is what the Ministers of the Church have taught us and they know because they are very educated in these matters, and have studied them extensively."
i was never happy with such explanations, however. Having read the Bible and other spiritual books in the search for the Truth, and having prayed and meditated and contemplated on Jesus, i was reassured and determined in my heart that i could and would one day have this experience. My parents could not convince me otherwise. Even then, i did not believe that this kind of knowledge came from Ministers of the Church, who might be learned in book knowledge and religious education, but did not reveal any evidence of that spiritual knowledge that comes from within.
Through some spiritual friends that i met through an Interschool Christian Fellowship (I.S.C.F), i found others who thought like myself. A number of us, including my brother and myself started going to the Pentecostal Church at about the age of 15-16 years of age. Although i never felt the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost in the Pentecostal faith, i had a deep faith within and believed that all things are possible with God.
Eventually, i found to my disappointment that the 'Pentecostal way' emotionally drained me, and at times i became downright emotionally exhausted, and i left the Pentecostal Church. (i realize now through Sahaja Yoga, that this 'exhaustion' is due to the need for a 'Pentecostal Person' to continually maintain a sort of 'euphoric state' because they believe that if this euphoric state is not maintained, it is the equivalent to not being 'in the Spirit'.
In 'Sahaj' terminology, i realize i was just swinging from left to right mood swings (of the left and right sympathetic nervous system). In Sahaja Yoga, when we have our connection or Baptism of the Holy Spirit, we are then connected and centred in the central channel of the Parasympathetic Nervous System. These emotional swings between euphoria and depression, then stop. A person then becomes balanced between the two emotional ranges, and settles down to a steady joyous and blissful life. This requires constant effort of meditation, of course, and perseverance, however, it cannot happen without first having the connection to the Divine in the form of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit that Shri Mataji the Holy Spirit gives.
Now.... many years later.... through the Advent of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, whom i know without any doubt at all to be the Comforter that Jesus promised would come at this Last Judgment and Resurrection Time, i have and do experience this same Wind that the Disciples of Jesus experienced on the Day of Pentecost, and i do not experience it only 'one off'; i experience it regularly.
i very frequently meditate out-of-doors. It can be a still, calm day with no wind around. Yet when i start to meditate, i feel a Wind come up and swirl around me. It is a very beautiful Wind that breathes its Love, Playfulness, and Protection around and within me. It just arises from.... i don't know where.... and encircles me and even blows around my back yard, rustling through the leaves of trees, and flowers and shrubs around where i am.
This Wind also sometimes gives me an awareness of things. These are things that are understood by the Spirit only, and cannot be talked about. This Wind also gives me an integrated feeling of Oneness with All That Is. A person has to experience this for themselves in order to know what i am talking about. i know many Sahaja Yogis have already experienced this. It is not uncommon anymore.
The great thing for me is that this is the same Wind that the Disciples experienced on the Day of Pentecost! My spiritual quest has come true! And this experience is also my very own personal proof of who Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is. She is the One who has enabled me to experience this Baptism of the Holy Spirit. She is the Comforter/Holy Spirit that Jesus said would come on Earth.
My wish for this Christmas of 2005.... is that those who desire it.... will also receive this Gift of Spiritual Birth. As more and more of us on Earth have our Spiritual Birth or Real Baptism of the Holy Spirit, we will truly have Peace on Earth and goodwill towards all men. This is the beginning of a new Age of the Spirit, where Man again will walk with God and God will walk them Man and Man will again experience the True Spiritual Reality.
So.... i am sorry to say, Jagbir, that Wind of the Holy Spirit, has been downplayed in Christianity so as to make it virtually non-existent. However, we can let everyone know that She is here and very existent and that everyone who desires it, can drink from this Fountain of Life.
Love and best wishes to All for this Christmas Season of 2005,
"The pneuma [Cool Breeze or Wind of Spirit]* is the peculiar power ... of eternal life." Robert Kysar
The Greek word pneuma, often translated "spirit," properly means "Wind", as when Jesus said, "The pneuma blows where it will" John 3:8. The word "Pneumatology" comes from two Greek words which mean "Wind, air, spirit" and "Word" - combining to mean "The study of the Holy Spirit."
"Johannine pneumatology [Cool Breeze or Wind of Spirit] as primarily a function of christology. The recent work of F. Porsch contributes significantly to the efforts of those who hold this position. He discovers through his study that the notion of the Spirit is 'christologically concentrated.' The Spirit enables one to recognize Jesus as the God-sent revealer, to execute an awakening, and to deepen and strengthen faith. Characteristic of Johannine pneumatology is that the concept of Spirit is associated with word. The word of Jesus is Spirit (6:63), and hence the 'word-event' is pneumatic event, and pneumatic event is word event. The pneuma [Cool Breeze or Wind of Spirit] is the peculiar power by which the word becomes the words of eternal life...
Pneumatology as a primarily function of the eschatology. Those who connect pneumatology with Johannine eschatology stress more the role it plays in the gospel's system of present eschatology. G. Locher argues that the Spirit makes the past as well as the future present for the believers (578). J. Blank maintains that Johannine realized eschatology is possible only because of a peculiar and strong view of the Spirit (Krisis 215)"
*[Cool Breeze or Wind of Spirit] emphasis ours
"The fascinating concepts of the Spirit and the Paraclete have provoked much concern among those interested in the religious thought of the Fourth Gospel (cf. e.g., Brown, Commentary—Gospel 2:1135-36, 'Paraclete in the Fourth' 113-14, and 'Paraclete in the Light' 158ff.). What we might summarize as two contexts enables us to comprehend the general concept of the Spirit. First, for some Johannine pneumatology is primarily a function of the christology and of the testimony themes of the gospel. In this case, the Spirit is closely associated with the question of the birth of faith just discussed. Second, for others, however, the pneumatology is primarily a function of the eschatology of the gospel.
Johannine pneumatology as primarily a function of christology. The recent work of F. Porsch contributes significantly to the efforts of those who hold this position. He discovers through his study that the notion of the Spirit is 'christologically concentrated.' The Spirit enables one to recognize Jesus as the God-sent revealer, to execute an awakening, and to deepen and strengthen faith. Characteristic of Johannine pneumatology is that the concept of Spirit is associated with word. The word of Jesus is Spirit (6:63), and hence the 'word-event' is pneumatic event, and pneumatic event is word event. The pneuma is the peculiar power by which the word becomes the words of eternal life. The Fourth Gospel is supremely, then, a 'pneumatic gospel.' It always presents the Spirit as another 'form of appearance' ('Erscheinungsform') or designation for the presence of Christ. The Spirit is above all the power of the word (Porsch, 405-7).
J. M. Boice seems to agree with much of Porsch's analysis, because he understands that, throughout John, it is the Spirit that makes possible the witness of the apostles to revelation. The Spirit also supplies the 'internal witness' that, in turn, makes the embracing of revelation an option. The Spirit is part of the fourth evangelist's understanding of how the kerygma is received and affirmed (120-22, 143-45). H. Schlier, too, believes John's author holds that the truth of revelation is grasped and affirmed by person's only by means of the Spirit ('Heilige'). In a comparable manner, de La Potterie thinks that the Spirit is a necessary ingredient in the Johannine scheme of salvation. It is the Spirit who interprets the revelation which otherwise remains obscure and mysterious ('Paraclet' 96, and 'Parole et Esprit').
Pneumatology as a primarily function of the eschatology. Those who connect pneumatology with Johannine eschatology stress more the role it plays in the gospel's system of present eschatology. G. Locher argues that the Spirit makes the past as well as the future present for the believers (578). J. Blank maintains that Johannine realized eschatology is possible only because of a peculiar and strong view of the Spirit (Krisis 215)...
The attribution of the title, 'spirit of truth,' to the paraclete constitutes another problem. What did the fourth evangelist intend by this title? Boice understands that the title identifies the Spirit-Paraclete with God and Christ, as well as denoting the function of this figure as the one who delivers the truth to humans. Porsch thinks that the unity of word and Spirit enlightens the tile. 'The spirit of truth' is the forensic description of the word empowered by the Spirit. For Muller, the title gives expression to the peculiarly Johannine notion of the Spirit arising as it does from the dualism and christology of John's gospel. Locher contends that it is simply a functional designation for the work of the Spirit. The Spirit leads people from ignorance to truth.
About the function of the Spirit-Paraclete there is little significant disagreement. Most often it is said that the paraclete functions in two realms—among the disciples and in the world. In the first realm, the paraclete is the interpreter of the revelation in Christ and the one who enables persons to appropriate the revelation. De La Potterie speaks of this function as the 'interiorization and spiritualization' of the witness of Christ, and Schlier holds that the Spirit is the continuation of the revelatory work begun in Christ. In the second realm, Brown and De La Potterie understand the function in a negative way—the indictment of the opponents of Christ and the revelation. Schlier, however, suggests a more positive function for the Paraclete, namely, the illumination of the situation of the world and its alienation from its Creator."
Robert Kysar, Voyages with John: Charting the Fourth Gospel
Baylor University Press, 2005, pages 133-5
"The term pneumatology comes from two Greek words, namely, pneuma meaning 'wind,' 'breath,' or 'spirit' (used of the Holy Spirit) and logos meaning 'word,' 'matter,' or 'thing.' As it is used in Christian systematic theology, 'pneumatology' refers to the study of the biblical doctrine of the Holy Spirit. Generally this includes such topics as the personality of the Spirit, the deity of the Spirit, and the work of the Spirit throughout Scripture."
Greg Herrick, Pneumatology: The Holy Spirit
(www.bible.org Web Jan. 6, 2012)
"While the origin of the English word soul is obscure, the word almost certainly had its origin in a word which meant 'breath' or 'wind' or 'ir', or something like that. The word spirit—generally a synonym for soul—comes from the Latin spiritus, and clearly meant 'breath' originally. Spiritual and respiratory both derive from the same root!
Moreover, if we check in the Greek and Hebrew bibles to see which words are translated as 'soul', etc., in the King James Version, we will find many whose literal meaning is 'breath' or 'wind'. For example, the Hebrew word neshamah (literally meaning 'breath') is twice rendered as 'spirit', once as 'soul'. The Hebrew-Aramaic word ruach (lit., 'wind') is rendered 240 times as 'spirit', six times as 'mind.' The word nephesh (lit., 'breath') is rendered 'soul' 428 times) 'mind' 15 times, 'ghost' twice, and 'life' 119 times. Turning to the Greek Bible, we find pneuma (lit., 'breath') rendered as 'ghost' 91 times (including the rendering 'Holy Ghost'), 292 times as 'spirit'. The reader will recognize the same root in the word pneumonia, a word referring to a disease of the organs of breath. And finally, in this somewhat pedantic parade of words, we may note the important word psyche. As expected, its literal meaning is 'breath.' As we might have guessed, it is rendered as 'soul' 58 times, 'mind' three times, and life' 40 times."
Frank R. Zindler, The Probing Mind, February 1985
Note; Throughout the Old Testament, the Hebrew word 'ruach' was used for the 'Holy Spirit' or 'Holy Ghost'. Ruach can mean wind, breath, spirit or mind. In Genesis, God 'breathed the breath of life into Adam'. In Aramaic, the language that Jesus (Yeshua) spoke, the Judeans had an equivalent word, pronounced 'Rukh'. In the New Testament Christian gospels, the Greek word 'pneuma' was used. 'Pneuma' also refers to 'wind', 'breath' or 'spirit'. This Greek root gives rise to modern usage of terms like 'pneumatic' (air-powered), 'pneumonia' (lung disease), and 'pneumatology' (study of spiritual or paranormal beings or activities).
"The pneumatological activity [Cool Breeze or Wind of Spirit] ... of the Paraclete ... may most helpfully be considered in terms of the salvific working of the hidden Spirit."- Michael Welker
"This self-effacing character of the Spirit's presence finds a kind of verbal reinforcement in scripture due to an ambiguity present in both Hebrew and Greek, where the words ruach and pneuma carry a semantic width that encompasses the range of English words: "Wind," "Breath," "spirit."In the Priestly account of creation, are we to translate Genesis 1:2b as saying that"The spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters"or would it be better rendered," a wind of God swept over the face of the waters"? When Jesus says to Nicodemus," The wind blows where it chooses and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit" (John 3:8), the Greek of the Gospel contains a kind of theological pun in its double use of pneuma.
Taking seriously this veiled presence of the Spirit, expressed in the hidden character of pneumatological action, by no means implies a denial of more manifest activity also. The kind of bivalent working that Kathryn Tanner discusses in her chapter is surely just what one would expect of a divine Person, in contrast to the uniformity of action associated with a mere force such as gravity, unvarying in its characteristics...
According to this understanding, the sanctifying work of the Spirit is a continuing activity that awaits its final completion in the creation of the community of the redeemed, a consummation that will manifest fully only at the eschaton. Of the Persons of the Trinity, we can appropriate most specifically to the Spirit the title of deus absconditus, the hidden God.
We have acknowledged that a veiling of pneumatological activity is not the only thing to be said about the work of the Paraclete, yet recognition of a degree of reticence in the nature of the Spirit's presence does offer opportunities for the theological understanding of a number of puzzling aspects of the human encounter with divine reality. There is the important and pressing problem posed by the need to understand how the apparently clashing cognitive claims made by the different world faith traditions can be reconciled with the evident presence of authentic spiritual experience within all of them. I have suggested elsewhere that this phenomenon may most helpfully be considered in terms of the salvific working of the hidden Spirit."
Michael Welker, The work of the Spirit: pneumatology and Pentecostalism
Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2006, page 170-1
"The subject and the scope of this study are the role(s) of the Spirit-Paraclete in John 16:4b-15. The methodology applied is socio-rhetorical criticism as developed by Vernon K. Robbins. The fourth Gospel is called the 'spiritual Gospel.' Its pneumatic connotations are not only related to its presentation of Christ but also to its frequent references to the Spirit and its cognates. Jesus' Spirit-Paraclete teaching in his Farewell Discourse is a prominent example of this. Its pneumatological content is, however, problematic. This is demonstrated by the various attempts of Johannine scholars. In addition, methodologies, goals and the scope of these studies vary. It was observed that if scholars suggest a role for the Spirit-Paraclete, they usually use 'either-or' language, pointing out one role while excluding other possible roles from their conclusions or merely list explicitly mentioned functions of the Spirit-Paraclete. This study is a response to this present situation. It deals with the last two Spirit-Paraclete sayings of Jesus in his farewell address to determine the role(s) of the Spirit-Paraclete, applying the comprehensive reading model which has not been applied to this text before. The hypothesis was that if a more comprehensive methodology is applied to the narrative, a more comprehensive understanding of the text would be gained. We applied multidisciplinary socio-rhetorical criticism which takes into account narrative-rhetorical, intertextual, social-cultural, ideological and sacred aspects of the text while not neglecting contexts in which the story took place, was recorded and is interpreted. Findings were that the roles of the Spirit-Paraclete go beyond mere theological and spiritual significance to touch sociological and psychological aspects of human experience. Thus, the roles of the Spirit-Paraclete are multidimensional. These roles are also integrated with each other. Together they support and point to one major role of the Spirit-Paraclete, which does not, however, downplay [her] other roles. The central role of the Spirit-Paraclete in John 16:4b-15 is to be the divine presence who forms a performing community of the disciples called the people of the Spirit."
The role(s) of the Spirit-Paraclete in John 16:4b-15
Tuppurainen and Riku Pekka, UNISA, University of South Africa
COOL BREEZE (WIND) AND BEING BORN OF THE SPIRIT
Jesus and Nicodemus
1. Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews;
2. this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, "Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him."
3. Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
4. Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?"
5. Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7. "Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
8. "The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
"Experience of the Spirit is of great importance to believers, and this is natural, if the Spirit is the source of new, eschatological life. However, experience of the Spirit must also take its place within a larger context. For every present encounter with the Spirit is one instant in a long history of pneumatic activity. Forgetting this point results in an overblown evaluation of the significance of experiences of the Spirit. It also results in those experiences losing much of their meaning. The Spirit encountered today is the same Spirit that spoke through the prophets, empowered Jesus and the apostles, and will someday bring about the complete transformation of all things. It is the eschatological Spirit. To experience the Spirit is to be drawn up into this pneumatic movement. Therefore, any experience of the Spirit must take its meaning from this larger historical context." (Beck 2007, 237)
Cool Breeze (Wind) experiences of those born of the Spirit
Judith Coney is a lecturer in the Department of Study of Religions at the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London. She published her book in 1999 prior to this website and refrained from mentioning the eschatological significance of the "cool breeze" experiences felt by hundreds of thousands since the 1970's till date.
"The result, in all three settings [Royal Albert Hall, local meeting or private house], is that many people do feel a cool breeze. The coolness which is felt is usually associated with other sensations as well. Typically, the pupils of the eyes can be observed to dilate and the person will feel very relaxed and 'centred.' However, it is notable that, despite the very similar ways in which individuals 'get their realisation'—and even in the same setting—not everybody feels exactly the same thing. Sri Mataji teaches that the vibrations of kundalini can be felt as cool breeze on the palm of the hands and above the head. Sometimes breezes, in line with the teachings, are felt on the hands and head specifically. For others, the experience is more generalized:
The experience was extremely timeless, because I felt that it only lasted for about five minutes but somebody came behind me and said 'would you like a cup of tea' and I thought, 'this is silly, what's all this about tea?; But it turned out that it was about three quarters of an hour later. And I felt a strong cool breeze. I was actually told; you will probably feel some coolness or some nice feelings inside' but I felt coolness not just in my hands, where I was told it would be, but all over and I felt incredibly peaceful.
Generally, the feeling of coolness on 'realisation' seems to be discernible, but relatively weak. As with Kakar's description of his own 'realisation', many newcomers are left with the feeling that they felt something but they are not sure what:
Mataji grandly announced, 'He is realised' ... 'Sit in meditation for some time' she told me as I sat up. 'Do you feel a cool breeze on the top of your head and on your palms?' Indeed I did, though I could not distinguish the coolness due to kundalini from the gutsy breeze coming in from the sea. I felt well, though, calm and deeply relaxed. (Kakar 1984, 195-6)
A few, however, have an extremely strong experience. One such incident was described by one of the participating Sahaja Yogis:
He felt really cool, not just on his hands but all over. He said: 'This isn't a breeze, it's a wind'. We all felt it really strongly too. Then we picked up Mother's photograph and held it in front of him and he felt loads of vibrations coming from that. But I think the whole thing was so strong that it frightened him. He was very high and positive for two days, he brought us some flowers, and then he became wary and never came to [the ashram] again.
Others still, in contrast, do not feel much, if anything, on their first session. This lack of feeling on their part, however, may not be shared by the Sahaja Yogis 'working on them', who may remark enthusiastically about how cool the individual feels, and may also be at odds with the view of Sri Mataji herself. Here is the description of his initial contact with Sahaja Yoga by one such follower. He first went to a meeting at which Sri Mataji gave 'realisation' en masse, but felt nothing. Nevertheless, he was persuaded to go to a smaller workshop a few days later.
I really didn't feel anything there at all either but I was told by Mataji herself-she said 'Who hasn't felt it yet?' and I put my hand up with a few others. Mataji said 'Come forward' and then she said to me 'You've got it, you know'. And I said 'Have I?' and she said 'Yes, go through to that room and ask some Sahaja Yogis to work on you'. So that was my introduction to Sahaja Yoga.
It was only with repeated sessions that he developed the ability to feel a cool breeze. There are also those, a few, who may feel more calm, possibly as a result of sitting quietly for some time, but otherwise feel no different and never feel any sort of breeze. This is often explained by Sahaja Yogis as being because the chakras have been too badly damaged by negativity in the past (Rajasekharan and Venkatesan 1992, 98).
Kakar (1984, 208), a trained Freudian psychologist, having witnessed Sri Mataji's delivery of 'realisation' both en masse and on a one-to-one basis, concluded that much of this experience is built on suggestion and 'hypnotic induction':
Needless to add, because of the emotional pressures created in a group setting, the tendency to identify with the experience of other group members and the intense desire to please the leader, only a handful of people hold out against this mass suggestion. (ibid., 209)
Such a conclusion would undoubtedly be rejected by a Sahaja Yogi, convinced that they have experienced their Spirit through the grace of Sri Mataji. It is not within the remit of my present enquiry, however, to seek to establish the 'real cause' of a cool breeze felt by an individual, but to try chart the social dynamics involved. Just as Goodman commented, in relation to religious experience:
The religious practitioners argue for it, either because it is part of their dogma, or because, as they affirm, they have 'been there', they have experienced it. The hard scientists take the opposite position, again as a matter of conviction. As social scientists, our situation is a happier one: at least we can state that, without any doubt, the alternate reality is a social one. (Goodman 1988, 43)."
Judith Coney, Sahaja Yoga
RoutledgeCurzon, 1999, pp. 55-58
Since the 1970's tens of thousands of Sahaja Yogis "have [daily] experienced their Spirit through the grace of Sri Mataji... they affirm, they have 'been there', they have experienced it."
"Such a conclusion would undoubtedly be rejected by a Sahaja Yogi, convinced that they have experienced their Spirit through the grace of Sri Mataji. It is not within the remit of my present enquiry, however, to seek to establish the 'real cause' of a cool breeze felt by an individual, but to try chart the social dynamics involved. Just as Goodman commented, in relation to religious experience: The religious practitioners argue for it, either because it is part of their dogma, or because, as they affirm, they have 'been there', they have experienced it." (Coney 1999, 58)
"The Cool Breeze coming out of your head, that's called as Chaitanya Lahari, that's called Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost. When John the Baptist talked about baptism, he meant this. He didn't mean the way we do baptism, to just call somebody, put some water on the head, and say 'Oh, you're baptized. That's just a drama. Baptism is a living process."
Truth to be Achieved, Brighton, U.K.—7 October 1982
"The Cool Breeze is all around us and we can start feeling in our hands when the Kundalini emerges from the top of the head if our Vishuddhi is alright. This is what Christ meant by 'to be born again' and not just to call some people and say 'Alright, now we have some baptism.'"
We don't have to suffer, Bedford, U.K.—8 October 1982
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