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Memories of our Divine Mother: 16. CONVERSATIONS AND CURES 1) Alla Kulkarni said: I hoped that She would understand my heart I had a poem in Russian that I wrote that summer [of 1991]. I wanted to read it to Shri Mataji. I did not know much English at that time, but I had hoped that Shri Mataji would understand my heart. She graciously allowed me to read to Her my poem. I sat in front of Her and read Her the whole poem in Russian. She was looking into my eyes with Her big eyes full of love and it was an unforgettable moment. It seemed that the time stopped. Really it was great. Then She said, "This poem has good vibrations. What is it about?" I got a little bit confused. I hoped that Shri Mataji would understand the meaning in Russian. My English was too poor to explain. Actually, the poem was about that I offer at Shri Mataji's Lotus Feet my past and my future. My past is whining like a little puppy and my future is laying before Shri Mataji like a white sheet of paper, in complete surrender, to be written by Shri Mataji. Then She asked me, "What is proshloe?" She used the Russian word from my poem that meant "the past." So I told Her that it means the past and then She asked, "What is budusheie?" — the Russian word meaning "future" that I used in my poem. So I told Her that that word means the future. Then She laughed and said that "You are a philosopher." I realized then that She must have understood the poem in Russian, since She asked such questions. This was an unforgettable experience for me. Alla Kulkarni 2) Mark Williams said: I wanted you to work it out I was at Cabella. I had the opportunity to see Shri Mataji because She wanted me to do a job for Her. And when I was there I noticed I was having some difficulty. I was feeling my right Agnya a lot and I was feeling some reaction from people. And I thought maybe I have an ego problem. So Shri Mataji was sitting there and I said, "You know, Shri Mataji, I think I have ego. And She said, "No, no, no." And I said, "No, I know I have ego." So She said, "Okay, do you think you know or do you know you know?" So I said, "I know I know." Mother said, "How?" I said, "Because I'm feeling the finger and I can feel the reaction of some people like that and, when I was sitting in Your room waiting to see You, I was putting my left to my right and I noticed that my tone of thoughts changed from being quite analytical and intellectual and a little harsh to being very gentle and sparse and very compassionate. And I realized that that was the difference between being in the right and being in the right and being in the centre. So I must be in the right ordinarily." So She said, "Very good, I could see it before, but I didn't want to tell you because I wanted you to work it out." So then I was just very embarrassed and said, "Shri Mataji, it is so bad, you know. You're the Goddess and it is just so bad to have ego in front of You. It's very depressing." And She said, "Don't worry, all Australians have got ego." And then I said, "But what do you do?" — like, "How do you treat it?" So She said, "Well, you just put the ice here and the ice there and also just humble down and try and help people. Because when you help people, that's how, when you subjugate yourself, you become humble. Like that." Anyway, then She just went into meditation. She just sat there and went into a very deep meditation just in front of me and I thought I must have put Her to sleep with my story. But She just meditated for quite some time and I was a little — I didn't know what to do, so I just sat there and I thought I'd better meditate as well. And then She came out of the meditation and She said, "It'll be okay." And then I went away. And that night there was a fellow who I had a confrontation with and he was telling me in no uncertain terms that I had this big ego and I did this and I did that. And normally I was just justifying, "You don't understand. You don't understand." But suddenly, I went into very deep meditation. Like just bang, all of a sudden when the word "ego" was mentioned. I just went into this incredibly deep meditation, like I wasn't there at all. There was no "I" at all. And I was just absorbing what he was saying. Even though he was speaking very, very harshly to me, I realized that was what Shri Mataji was doing to me at that time when She went into meditation. It was that She was projecting into that point, so She could pull me up, so I could absorb what this fellow was saying, even though this was very harsh. And I realized this was a very big blessing for Her to do that for me. And so ever since then I've learnt to really come to terms with ego, like to listen, you know, which I never could do before. Mark Williams 3) Frances Firth said: If anyone has any problems come and see Me In Margate [England], before the puja, Mother said, "If anyone has any problems, would you like to come and see Me." And we all sat outside Her door and waited for about two hours and eventually Mother said we were all to come in at once and I ended up sitting right next to Mother's knee. My back was killing me and I was the first person Mother spoke to and I told Her about my back and She said to sit in front of Her with my back towards Her and She put Her foot on my back and She told me to put my hands on the floor. And I felt such tremendous heat coming out of my hands and I felt Mother's toe on my back and She was moving it on exactly the right place. And when She finished, She asked if it was better. I didn't feel better then, but when I got up it felt completely loose and wonderful, as though She had lifted out all the tension. And over the next few months it was completely healed. Mother asked everyone all about their problems and one person had a problem with whether he should marry his girlfriend and Mother said, "No, she is too domineering." She remembered everyone's tiny detail. She said things we wouldn't have expected Her to say. And one lady had a weight problem and Mother said, "Men like plump women, don't they." Mother said women should not worry about their weight at all. The first public program we went to, Mother asked us all to line up and we all bowed down and She put Her Feet on our back and said, "May God bless you." And everyone in the room was touched by Mother. Frances Firth 4) Alan Pereira said: Don't worry, just keep meditating One of the most amazing experiences that I've had, now with hindsight, is that when I first came into Sahaj in 1989 I didn't feel any vibrations and I had my Realization and I then had the fortune of meeting Mother some six months or so later. It was at the Hammersmith Town Hall [in London] we were allowed to go on stage and I thought I must ask Mother about the vibrations and feeling them because I just don't feel anything. So the opportunity arose where we were allowed to go up on stage and I went up on stage and there was a big queue and I got to Her and, as I stood in front of Her, I just went absolutely blank and I didn't know what to say to Her. She didn't really say anything to me, but She looked directly at me and I looked at Her and the first words that came into mind were, "Shri Mataji, I have this compelling urge to kiss you, please may I?" And She looked at me and She said, "Yes." So I put both my arms around Her and I kissed Her on both cheeks and I said, "Thank You." People around me just really couldn't just believe that I had done this and, with hindsight now, I know that I shouldn't even have attempted to do this, but it was just this compelling urge I had. I just wanted to kiss Her and I realize now why, but at the time I just thought there was this lovely lady and I kissed Her. I then told Her about not feeling vibrations and She pressed Her thumb on my Agnya. She gave hand vibrations to my left palm and pressed my Agnya again with Her thumb and I said, "I still don't feel anything Shri Mataji." She said, "Don't worry, just keep meditating." And off I went and sat down. And then suddenly I started to feel things, but all these yogis approached me and said, "Did you kiss Shri Mataji?" And I said, "Yes, I asked Her and She said I could." And that was it. Alan Pereira 5) Wendy Barrett said: I dreamt Shri Mataji kissed me I dreamt Shri Mataji kissed me and embraced me. Then my dream came true when I went to India. As I could only stay for one month, instead of two months, the normal length of those early tours, I had to go and ask for permission from Shri Mataji to leave early and Shri Mataji asked me to come and sit next to Her while She ate Her lunch and She held my hand. Whilst talking to other people in the room as well, She'd turn around and chatted to me and asked me whether I'd bought my husband a nice present and how my children were. I had never told Her I had children and a husband. I sat for about twenty minutes, then all of a sudden She turned around and said, "Go on, give Me a kiss." And She put Her arms around me and I responded likewise. I remember Her kissing my cheek and me Hers. I felt Her hair on my cheeks and was in such bliss that I can't remember leaving Her presence, only arriving back in the adjoining room. Wendy Barrett 6) Pamela Bromley said: You may kiss Me I remember when I had upholstered a three piece suite for Mother and She said that I could kiss Her and I did kiss Her on Her left cheek and She said "You've kissed Me on My Heart". Pamela Bromley 7) Mark Williams said: The good thoughts of a hundred monkeys One thing I've noticed — I don't know whether you've had this experience — is that She takes on your form of speaking when She is with you, like She adapts. She talks completely differently when She is with certain people. She talks a completely different way. I remember when I saw Shri Mataji just when I got married and we were up in Pratishthan and it was the first time I had ever met Shri Mataji. And we were standing in the kitchen and peering out into the backyard and She was sitting in the garden. And She saw us and She waved us to come out. So we came out and we sat down and She said, just as conversation, "What do you think of the house?" And I had these turns of phrase that I used and I said, "Shri Mataji, it's a palace. It's absolutely fantastic." And She said, "Yes, it's just one of my crazy ideas." And that's this thing I say all the time, that. And I just looked at Shri Mataji like — wow! She is actually just catching the thought like that. And I had the opportunity to ask Shri Mataji — because when I was in a rickshaw in India that time, I was with an American fellow and he was very scared — and it was my third time or something — and I was a little bit scared as well because it was getting near sunset. And the rickshaw driver didn't appear to understand what we were saying, "Nizamuddin." And I put it in bandhan and it was so cool and I thought, "Forget it. Ah, we'll get there." And I relaxed. And he sort of relaxed. He didn't look very relaxed, but he just sat. And after about five minutes I had this thought, "This guy is completely lost. He doesn't know where to go. We are never going to get there." But I was in such a nice state, I just looked at the thought and thought, "You're in bandhan. You are in Shri Mataji's attention. Forget it. What a crazy thought." And suddenly the American guy crushed my arm and said, "We're completely lost. We're never going to get there. This guy doesn't know where we are going." And I thought, "I'm thinking his thoughts." So when I saw Shri Mataji, I mentioned this to Her, that this had happened. And She said, "No, that's exactly what happens," and we actually catch the thoughts of each other. And that's how you are going to change the world because sometimes you can catch the negative thoughts from people, but then also the people catch the good thoughts from you. So I said, "Mother, does that mean if we have all this bhakti for You and this love for You, that then other people, who don't even know You, will get that and will catch that and will suddenly just feel something for You?" And She said, "Exactly, that's the hundred monkey theory, that when there are a hundred monkeys, then suddenly all the monkeys do the same thing." So She was saying that that's how the thoughts work — like that. So then She was saying the same thing about how to meditate. Mark Williams 8) Christina Bruce said: Did She change the past? It was in 1995 and I presented, after a puja, my dissertation to Mother on the stage with all the other presents. I had a master's degree in health education and health promotion and the subject was about Sahaja Yoga and the relationship with the subtle system and behaviour change. At the same time, my dissertation was given to a board, a committee, and the result would have been already set. So at the moment, when I went on stage to present the dissertation for Mother, the result would have been established. When I gave it to Mother, She smiled and She looked at me and She said, "Oh, what's this? Do you think they are going to accept all this?" I looked at Her completely overwhelmed and with actually no doubt in my mind and kind of telling Her, kind of, "You are Adi Shakti." And I remember I put my hand on my heart and She smiled and She gave a big bandhan on my dissertation. And that was it. And after that I started worrying and saying, "Oh, my God, probably I have failed. Why did She do a bandhan and all that?" I went back home and I have passed. The thing is, I don't know what's happened. Did She change the past or what's happened? Christina Bruce 9) Anthony Visconti said: She gave the answer there and then A lady in our collectivity has done Sahaja Yoga for a few years, but she has continued to have a problem with obesity. She has tried everything to work herself out and get herself cured, but she was not getting over this problem. So eventually, she asked me if I would take a letter to Shri Mataji and she asked me to help her write it. And the next day I was supposed to see Shri Mataji in the airport. She was leaving for somewhere and I asked Alga if she could give the letter to Shri Mataji, but she said, "No, it's not the right time" and to do it when She comes back. So I had the letter in my pocket and there was a delay and the plane was delayed for an hour or so. And so we were all just sitting with Shri Mataji waiting for the plane to leave. And I was too shy to give the letter to Shri Mataji. I didn't want to disturb Her. All of a sudden Shri Mataji just started talking about the problem of obesity in women, for no rhyme or reason. And She started talking about the causes of this problem, where it comes from and how to cure it. She said that the problem of obesity in women comes when they are overactive as children, especially around the age of twelve or so. They become tomboyish and so they become right-sided. Then when they grow up, their metabolism is overactive and this can lead to obesity when they slow down. And so it is important that girls don't do sports that are men's kind of sports and should not be too right- sided. And so She said that these women should take this medicine called ashokeri, which is not actually a medicine for this. It is an ayurvedic medicine, but it is not used for obesity normally, but rather for gynecological problems. And She repeated at least six or seven times that this is the medicine to take. I never actually gave the letter to Shri Mataji, but She gave the answer there and then. It so happened that just a few weeks later I was going to India to take my daughter to the school and so I bought the medicines and gave them to this lady. And she had been taking them and has experienced the benefits. She still needs to carry on, but it is amazing the way that, without having to say anything or show anything to Shri Mataji, just the pure desire of this lady to solve this problem, and it wasn't done with ego or "I want Shri Mataji to tell me." And Shri Mataji just gave her the answer. I did give the letter to Elga, but Shri Mataji never read it. Anthony Visconti 10) Alison Rovina said: The doctors don't know anything I had dystrophy and the doctors said I would probably be dead by the time I was forty, which is in two years time. But I am still alive and kicking. There is no sign of dystrophy at all. And I remember that first year in Sahaja Yoga. I went to see Shri Mataji and She was in a room full of doctors — you know, Rustum [Bujorjee], David Spiro. She was on the bed and She said, "Well, what's your problem?" So I said that the doctors had just diagnosed this dystrophy and She looked at me and She was laughing so much and said, "You know, the doctors don't know anything. They just don't know anything." And She was just rolling around laughing and they were making all sorts of jokes about the doctors and teasing Rustum [Bujorjee] and teasing David. And I have never had any sign of it since. Alison Rovina 11) Susharda Tomasi said: Ganas will do everything I have studied ayurvedic medicine. Shri Mataji told me to study ayurvedic medicine because She said that this medicine is very close to the subtle system and She also told me that ayurvedic medicine is knowledge about life, science about life. It is not only a medicine, but it's a science about life. Really in ayurveda, they have described about daily life, body exercise, how we should behave according to the day, month, season, etc. Ayurvedic medicines — definitely these are natural medicines, so they don't have any side effects and Shri Mataji said that they have also effect on chakras. You know, in any medicines, also natural medicines, they are something you take from external, so it acts only on the physical level. Instead She says that ayurvedic medicines, they also affect the subtle system. It means one person who is doing Sahaja Yoga and takes ayurvedic medicine, it acts much more effectively and quickly. In Verona, in Italy, they organized this conference about Sahaja Yoga and ayurveda. It was ayurveda, its history, its relation with yoga and then Sahaja Yoga. I came out of university and I never knew how to speak in front of people and this and that and then they were doing very big advertisement in radio and newspaper and they invited all the doctors in Verona. So I didn't know what to do because I had to prepare something very — and Shri Mataji called me and I told Her that they had organized this thing and She said, "Ah! You are going to speak and about what?" So She said, "Ah! You are going to speak in front of people and what are you going to speak about?" I said, "There's this conference and, really, Shri Mataji I don't know what to speak." And then She told me, "You don't worry. You don't have to worry. You just go and stand there. Ganas will do everything and you don't have to worry." And really, next day I just took paper and pen. I started writing and it became so nice that lecture and it was wonderful. Shri Mataji told me like this, "You will spread Sahaja Yoga and ayurveda together because people get attracted because of medicine. And then you, when you describe about Sahaja Yoga, it is much more effective because you don't say anything. It's not like hypothesis. But if one doctor says about the medicinal, its effect on the physiology of the body, it creates much more. It becomes effective." Then we did all over Italy. Also they invited me on national television in Italy twice. It was medical program with all the doctors of allopathic medicine and they were agreeing with me about ayurveda and they were so much impressed that they invited and we spoke about stress first time. And then they said this seems so good, You tell the real technique that you have. So we spoke about Sahaja Yoga and it was very nice. Also Shri Mataji, She liked it very much. She said because, for the first time in Italian television, we spoke about Sahaja Yoga and in the medicine. She said, "It was wonderful. You spoke very well and it was very much impressive because it was in the medicinal program. Susharda Tomasi 12) Heidi Zogorski said: I'm right there I really was wondering why the children were so sick in daycare in America and I was just like "They're always sick, always ear infection, you know." And I was like "What is the problem?" And I had the opportunity of talking with Shri Mataji. She was asking a lot of different things, but then I asked Her. I said, "Shri Mataji, why are the children in America so sick?" And She said, "The mothers in America have weak heart." And I was surprised. I don't know, didn't know that, you know. And I said, "Oh, Shri Mataji, what do we do?" And She looked at my heart and She said, "But I'm right there." I just remember how She looked, that when She says, "I'm right there," it just — the look of — in Her eyes — of just, I don't know, the love just — you feel She's right there. I still feel — this was many years ago — and I still feel that I'm aware that we're still working on the heart, tremendously. You know, that it's still the children are still sick, but to me it just was — I had no knowledge that that was the connection. Heidi Zogorski 13) Djamel Metouri said: We were just there as instruments One day we were in Mother's flat and then She said, "Can you go with another yogi to this old lady who is in the hospital — the Royal Free [Hospital]. She was — and apparently she was having blood in her stomach. It's some kind of ulcer and she was in a really critical condition. She was in the hospital and I don't think they gave her much chance to live. And then I went with another Sahaj Yogi. We took some lemons and we worked on her a little bit. We raised her kundalini and put some lemons next to her. And then we left and Mother went away again and worked on her two days later. She was much better, apparently, by the time Mother got there and She worked on her and I'm sure that Mother did it all, of course. We were just there as instruments. We had to be there. We had to show that we could do something and cure. And then later this lady — in fact, we heard that this lady was sick because she was making money out of a photograph of Shri Sai Nath — whether it was Gagangar Maharaj or Sai Nath, I don't remember, but definitely she was doing something that was not right with money, with someone who was divine and she got this sickness and then it was considered to be quite a miracle that she recovered because she was about to die. I know she was making money out of something that was holy and that's why she was sick. In fact, Mother was saying that it was the Adi Guru who was very angry and, because He was angry, of course, she had these problems in the Void. And then when she'd recovered completely, she organized some kind of party or do at her place and invited all the Sahaj Yogis and Mother said to me, "You should have come because you're the one who first went to help her." Mother went to the party and I didn't go. Djamel Metouri 14) Brian Bell said: The boy in Bedford was a good receiver During the 1983 tour of America, Shri Mataji, while She was in Los Angeles, did a radio interview, a half hour radio interview. And while we were waiting — there were two of us waiting with Shri Mataji. Tracy Tischuk and I were waiting for the studio to become clear. And this was shortly after the incident which happened in England, the so-called "Bedford Boy," who had had an accident on his motor bike and when he was taken to hospital he told the doctor of this strange thing that had happened with him, how while he was lying there, this Mercedes had come up and stopped nearby. And this lady in a long white dress had come out and smiled at him, come to him, and passed her hand over him and had left him and had gone back into her Mercedes and driven off. And the doctor had said, "Yes, that is a very interesting story. The reporter is somewhere. You should tell him." And so the boy told the reporter and the reporter had reported this incident, which had had a number of sequels, one of which was that he saw the picture of Shri Mataji and said, "Oh, that was the lady. That was the lady who came to me when I had my accident." Incidentally, the doctors were amazed that he had had this accident and very little damage had been done to him. And the other interesting thing was that this accident had happened while Shri Mataji had been delivering a public program at the Bedford Town Hall. Brian Bell 15) Linda Williams said: I was at that Bedford program, except, that because [my son] Datta, then a baby, was yelling so much, I had to take him out and sit in the back of my car with him. Now Mother's car was also in the carpark and I was parked just outside the main and only door into the Town Hall. Believe me, no one came in or out of the Town Hall while the program was on. I know because I was sitting there staring at the door wishing I could go inside, except with a fractious child I couldn't because I didn't want to disturb the program. So I was watching the door all the way through, waiting for Mother to come out when She had finished the program. She finally did, accompanied by the other Sahaja Yogis. And then we drove back to Maria's house in Wellingborough or maybe we all returned to London together — but certainly no trips to boys who had driven over the edge of and fallen off motorway bridges, which was what had happened to the poor young chap. Linda Williams 16) Brian Bell said: Anyway before this radio program in LA, Shri Mataji was talking about this and Tracy asked Her, "Shri Mataji, were you conscious of that? Were You conscious of being with that boy at the accident?" I must admit it was a question I would never have had the courage to ask and Shri Mataji didn't answer immediately and She thought about it for a moment and then said something like this, "It's like this — the Divine is always transmitting. The message is always going out from the Divine. Whether it is picked up or not depends on the quality of the receiver. If the receiver is good, then the divine message is picked up." Now presumably the boy in Bedford was a good receiver. Brian Bell 17) Avdhut Pai said: It was pure aumkara I was having some problems with my left ear and I told Mother and She blew Her breath in my ear and suddenly it came in my mind what — "I put lots of antibiotics, this, that and what this simple breath is going to do?" The more I thought this, Mother asked me, "Why are you thinking like this? You know this breath, it's pure aumkara." I pulled my ears, but, of course, the harm was done and, needless to say, my ear did not become well. Avdhut Pai 18) Linda Williams said: One hundred percent your faith I asked Mother if She could know everything. She replied, "I can know all thoughts and things, past, present and future, simultaneously. But I can't be bothered." Then, with great naivety, I asked Mother how much was Her ability to cure someone and how much it was their faith in Her. Mother very sweetly and patiently replied, "One hundred percent your faith." Linda Williams 19) Gregoire de Kalbermatten said: The silence was galactic This is an unusual conversation and it did take place. Maybe the words are not absolutely exact, but I remember faithfully the sense of it. "But Mother, this is really an ugly Kali Yuga. Was there other Kali Yugas like this before?" "There were many other Kali Yugas before, but this is one of the worst." "But then, there were also other golden ages before?" "Of course, the successions of yugas form a kalpa, which is your universe." "When will our universe finish?" "If Sada Shiva interrupts it in dancing Tandava, people of God will go back to God and everything else will be destroyed. I do not think it will happen now because of Sahaja Yoga." "If our universe comes and goes like this, it means there were other universes before?" "Yes, many." "But, Shri Mataji, where do all these universes go when they are finished?" "They become a chakra in My Body." Believe me, after this answer, no more questions. And the silence was very galactic. Gregoire de Kalbermatten
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