A question from a new Sahaja Yogi
From: "jagbir singh"
Date: Sun Oct 10, 2004 7:02 pm
Subject: A question from a new SY
> I am a student from Indonesia who is now studying at Japan. I just
> started SY last year after I got realization from the website of
It is nice to hear that Shri Mataji can awaken the kundalini over the internet.
A Sahaja Yogi has to get the real baptism. His fontanel bone has to become soft, and his Kundalini has to pierce it, then only he is a Sahaja Yogi. You cannot have membership; you cannot have anything like that. It is so spontaneous, and if it has not happened within you, then you are not a Sahaja Yogi. Till it has happened you are still seeking, but it takes a split of a second in some people, like children. It can take quite a lot of time in some people, who have harmed themselves.”
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, 1979
> Actually I did not just stumble on the site by accident, I got the
> information from my younger sister who is doing some kind of
> reiki-kundalini. After I got the cool breeze it stopped after a week,
> and that was the time when I started to look further about sahaja
> yoga and found the nearest collective in Japan here.
When Sahaja Yogis meditate they raise the kundalini before and after meditation. Normally meditation is done twice daily and that means raising the kundalini four times. This daily meditation not only helps sustain the cool breeze but also increase its flow from other parts of the body.Over time the cool breeze is a 24/7 phenomena.
By"cool breeze"I mean the sensation of subtle energy flowing out of your hands, head and sometimes other parts of the body. It is not like the normal wind we humans feel but a very faint breeze. However, there are some who feel it strongly at times.
> My joining with the collective here is actually quite a slow
> start. In my country, the competition between religion to get more
> masses is quite fierce though not so explicit,.. and since I was a
> follower a very minor one, Confucian, since I was child I had
> always taken a kind of"defense"reaction, when anybody tries to
> approach and attract me with his/her religious ideas. And actually
> SY was not an exception for me...
Although Confucianism is usually followed in a religious manner by the Chinese, argument continues over whether to refer to it as a religion because it makes little reference to theological or spiritual matters (God(s), the afterlife, etc.). i could be wrong but my Chinese neighbor in Malaysia never talked about God Almighty in the way other traditions do.
Anyway, it is prudent to be cautious about religions because most insist to have the exclusive favor of the Divine, of course to the exclusion of all others. Even sects of the same religion have similar views. Thus Mormons, whose prophet discovered Jesus in America, have hardly anything positive to say about Catholics, whose popes are self-proclaimed infallible representatives of Jesus on Earth.
Sahaja Yoga is not an exclusive religion of the Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Christians, Muslims or Sikhs but the synthesis of all. A SY believes in all scriptures and prophets. In that sense Sahaja Yoga is more a spiritual trek through the sprawling religious lands of the priests to find the common source of enlightenment, only to discover it is only found within oneself. Then one becomes a mystic and continues the journey without moving a single step in any direction. The journey to the Other Shore begins and ends within oneself.
The cool breeze will always be there as long as you remain on the right path. Stray away from it for too long and it weakens. Continue to deliberately stray and the cool breeze ceases altogether. The cool breeze from within guides you only as long as you want to be guided. Seek another guru or path and you stop the cool breeze.
"You are seeking, definitely. Perhaps you do not know what you are seeking, but one thing is definite, you are not satisfied with things as they are. There is something beyond, which you have to seek. There is something beyond, no doubt, which has been told to you by all the prophets, by all the scriptures, by all the incarnations who came on this earth. It has been promised also that you will be judged one day. But the first judgement will be your own. You yourself will decide whether you are seeking the Divine, or some frivolous things. If you are seeking the Reality and the Truth, then only you are going to be chosen, then only you are going to be the citizen of God's Kingdom.”
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - 1979
> I have been spending long months to find anything about SY, pros
> and contras, in internets, reading books by Shri Mataji and SYs,
> listening to her talks, and also the websites and forums of anti-
Shri Mataji would agree with Confucius that to put the world in order, we must first put the nation in order; to put the nation in order, we must put the family in order; to put the family in order, we must cultivate our personal life; and to cultivate our personal life, we must first set our hearts right.
> And also, I have followed your writings and the contents of
> http://adishakti.org/. Your site has been a great help for
> me... however, there are still questions and doubts on SY inside
> mine which still prevents me to be a complete devotee of SY.
Take your time, ask questions and doubt.
> As I come across a lot of websites about kundalini, it seems true
> that the kundalini awakening can be done by other techniques. And
> actually I also have witnessed a kundalini awakening in a small
> group by voice of the master of the group (non SY). And I checked
> that their kundalini were actually raised after that process. That
> was the group where my sister who told me about self-realization
> website belongs to.
We are getting more gurus claiming to raise kundalini by various means but many of the symptoms are not what SYs experience:
* Muscle twitches, cramps or spasms.
* Energy rushes or immense electricity circulating the body
* Itching, vibrating, prickling, tingling, stinging or crawling sensations
* Intense heat or cold
* Involuntary bodily movements (occur more often during meditation, rest or sleep): jerking, tremors, shaking; feeling an inner force pushing one into postures or moving one's body in unusual ways.
* Alterations in eating and sleeping patterns
* Episodes of extreme hyperactivity or, conversely, overwhelming fatigue
* Intensified or diminished sexual desires
* Headaches, pressures within the skull
* Racing heartbeat, pains in the chest
* Digestive system problems
* Numbness or pain in the limbs (particularly the left foot and leg)
* Pains and blockages anywhere; often in the back and neck
* Emotional outbursts; rapid mood shifts; seemingly unprovoked or excessive episodes of grief, fear, rage, depression
* Spontaneous vocalizations (including laughing and weeping)—are as unintentional and uncontrollable as hiccoughs
* Hearing an inner sound or sounds, classically described as a flute, drum, waterfall, birds singing, bees buzzing but which may also sound like roaring, whooshing, or thunderous noises or like ringing in the ears.
* Mental confusion; difficulty concentrating
* Altered states of consciousness: heightened awareness; spontaneous trance states; mystical experiences (if the individual's prior belief system is too threatened by these, they can lead to bouts of psychosis or self-grandiosity)
* Heat, strange activity, and/or blissful sensations in the head, particularly in the crown area.
* Ecstasy, bliss and intervals of tremendous joy, love, peace and compassion
* Psychic experiences: extrasensory perception; out-of-body experiences; pastlife memories; astral travel; direct awareness of auras and chakras; contact with spirit guides through inner voices, dreams or visions; healing powers
* Increased creativity: new interests in self-expression and spiritual communication through music, art, poetry, etc.
* Intensified understanding and sensitivity: insight into one's own essence; deeper understanding of spiritual truths; exquisite awareness of one's environment (including"vibes"from others)
* Enlightenment experiences: direct Knowing of a more expansive reality; transcendent awareness
> Why does the kundalini awakening gotten so easily (en mass) even
> without SY techniques? Or ... it is possible just because Shri
> Mataji has arrived on earth? Is there other gurus at present,
> outside SY, who are not false gurus?
So we cannot be sure if it is indeed en mass kundalini awakening because the symptoms warn that something is wrong, even dangerous, with the methods of various kundalini gurus. Probably there are a few gurus who are not false, but how do we recognize one?
Moreover, no other guru can make your hands atalk' i.e., your own fingertips will inform you which particular chakra or lifestyle needs to be checked. Yes, they may be able to raise the kundalini but can anyone of them make the hands atalk' or the cool breeze flow?
"Now very interesting it is to see that this Kundalini is the one which is called as the Kumbha, in Sanskrit language means the Aquarius. So it is the age of Aquarius, is the age of Kundalini.
Secondly, is the age of Kundalini which will nourish, which is The Mother within you, which will rise, will give you the completeness of it, and which will connect you with your Spirit, which ultimately gives you enlightenment by which you become collectively conscious. You become, again I say. It's not just telling a story, you just become.
Now what is the cool breeze coming out of your hands? For the first time you feel the subtle All Pervading Power about which everyone has talked. The Ruh (Rooh) as they call it, as the Brahma Tattva - they call it by various names—is the All Pervading Power of God's Love.”
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
May 27, 1985
Note: Ruh or Rooh is an Arabic word which means"The Spirit"
> Sometimes I felt that Shri Mataji sometimes said something that
> put"A fear"on anybody who dares to leave SY, ... but I can
> understand it if it's actually the way she wants to comfort and
> protect us as sometimes our parent/mother does. I have cleared
> this kind of doubt recently somehow.
i had a secondary school headmaster who put fear in all students. During his tenure the school reached the pinnacle of its long illustrious history - all the discipline brought forth excellent academic and athletic results.
For five years it was a difficult school life, and canings were common. i can say that at times punishment was excessive. Every subject you failed during the term resulted in one severe cane stroke. Fail six and you get six of the best ................ and passing grades were rigorous. There were three terms and few ever escaped, i.e., only the top three students or so.
The report cards were delivered by the headmaster, and so were the strokes. Those who rebelled were given the hardest - the principal must have improved his golf strokes through sheer experience.
Being the premier school in Malaysia even the royal family send their children there. But as far as the principal was concerned no one was exempted from his discipline. That got him in trouble and was forced to leave for a mediocre desk job as punishment for treading royal toes.
Most of the students really hated him. They cheered wildly the day he was 'sacked'.
Then they left school, easily entered local universities or went abroad to further studies and careers on the strength of their HSC exam results. Most of his students today occupy excellent positions in Malaysia and Singapore, whether government bodies or private companies. Most also regret hating him for the fear he instilled to either excel, or receive the end of the cane.
Today all of us are proud of our headmaster Mr. Murugesu. But we were late in recognition. Few could thank him in person.
> And there were still other little doubts...like whether SY is just
> a simple cult or not .... I do not think so.... but it is really
> difficult for me to explain what the difference is...
All religions and their off-shoots are cults. The difference is that while religious cults ask you to find God in their churches, synagogues, mosques or temples, Shri Mataji tells you to find the Divine within yourself.
"Because of that Light we talk of religion, we talk of God and we talk of eternal things. But it is really a precarious stage, that is, to be a human being, because at this stage you have to jump only a little bit that side. While you start jumping this side and that side because this jumping is not possible unless and until the awareness reaches that stage where you become independent. As long as you are a slave, or under bondage, or something that is gross, how can you enjoy that Eternal Joy that is within you?
So it is for you to expose yourself more to that Joy, by opening out your Self more and more, and getting subtler and cleaner, so that you feel that Divine.”
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
July 16, 1983
> Another doubt... how to spread the SY (as has been asked by Shri
> Mataji Herself), while me, myself, always believe that respecting
> another's spiritual path as principle.... As I have told you
> above, since I was child I really hate other person who try to
> attract me to another religion..
i have to repeat:
Sahaja Yoga is not an exclusive religion of the Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Christians, Muslims or Sikhs but the synthesis of all. A SY believes in all scriptures and prophets. In that sense Sahaja Yoga is more a spiritual trek of the seeker through the sprawling religious properties of the priests to find enlightenment, only to discover it within oneself. Then one has to become a mystic and continue the journey without moving a single step in any direction. The journey to the Other Shore ends within oneself.
> And.... I realized that I am not a complete devotee of SY though I
> am practicing SY meditation, participating at pujas, etc... I am
> still a seeker... I believe that Shri Mataji will understand me
> if She is really the Adi Shakti.... and I really hope that other
> member of collective will understand it too ... (actually I have
> not told them explicitly about this.... of course I will tell them
The eternal, spiritual Adi Shakti within you will understand everything and will guide you on. The mortal, physical Adi Shakti Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi does not even know you are reading this.
"Because at this level, where you are realised souls, of a higher level, now for a next jump—as I was saying to you—is devotion. Anything else has to be secondary under the circumstances.
If it is primary and your attention is still on that, then you cannot have this second jump. First jump you already had, you have got your realisation. But from the first jump to the second jump, in the second jump you have to face it up. You should not feel disgusted with yourself, nor dejected with yourself, nothing. But treat yourself as a separate entity.
And dedication is actually turning back to yourself and looking forward to the Divine personality in you. Once there is Divine personality in you there's no problem of devotion. You will just become One with it, you start enjoying it.”
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - July 28, 1985
"We cannot see that Spirit, nor can we feel it. We cannot manifest it. We know there is someone who knows. In Gita, it is called Kshetra Gya, who is the knower of the field. So we know that there is a Knower and the Knower knows all about you, is tape-recording all that you have been doing, your seeking, your mistakes, your turbulence, all kinds of things you have done. And that tape-recorder is placed down below there in that triangular bone and is called Kundalini. This is the residual energy of our desire, the Adi Shakti. After creating the whole, She remains whole and She is complete.” Shri Mataji - 1979
> Do you think that there are other persons, like me, also exist in
> other collectives?
Definitely. Some are now meditating on the Adi Shakti without even going to any collective whatsoever. The internet is making this possible and will become a future trend.
> Sorry if this mail just becomes my self-introspection.
Bagus, others will self-introspect also, perhaps more deeper than before.
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