"Jesus did not die for your sins ... That proclamation is theological nonsense."

From: "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:34 pm
Subject: "Jesus did not die for your sins ... That proclamation is theological nonsense."
> —- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, "Violet" <vtubb@b...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Another question i have is, did Jesus ever say He had to die for
> > forgiveness of sin, or did others say that about Him?
> >
>—- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, "jagbir singh"
<adishakti_org@y...> wrote:
> Dear Violet,
> Jesus never said anything about Him dying for humanity's sins. What
> type of God sends down incarnations to be tortured in the most
> horrific manner in order to rid others of sin? This is a Christian
> lie made up over the centuries because questions were asked: "Why
> were humans able to kill Jesus (despite Him having so much power)?"
> "Why did a most powerful God not save Him?" "How could God allow
> His son to languish and be tortured on the cross for days?"
> The most convenient answer is that Jesus had to die so that the
> sins of humans could be wiped out. And He had to die most slowly
> and painfully because there was too much sin on Earth. (i wonder
> how many weeks will it take today?)
> Violet, when this theory was put forward the world was still flat
> and the centre of the universe. And those reading bibles or
> questioning Church authority met the same fiery fate at the stake
> as witches flying on brooms. Fiction became fact. This deeply
> ingrained but baseless Christian conditioning is very difficult to
> overcome as it is an important aspect of their religious faith.

Catholic New Times: Jesus did not die for our sins

Let me state this boldly and succinctly: Jesus did not die for your
sins or for my sins.

That proclamation is theological nonsense. It only breeds more
violence, as we seek to justify the negativity that religious people
dump on others because we can no longer carry its load. We must rid
ourselves of it. One can hardly refrain from exhorting parents not to
spare the rod lest they spoil the child, if the portrait of God at
the heart of the Christian story is that of an angry parent who
punishes the divine Son because he can take it and we cannot.

The interpretation of Jesus as the sacrificed victim is a human
creation. It was shaped in a first-century world by the disciples of
Jesus, who drew on their Jewish liturgical symbols as a way the
Crucifixion might be understood. They borrowed this understanding
directly from the Jewish Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, in which an
innocent lamb was slaughtered to pay the price for the sins of the
people. The sinful people then had the cleansing blood of that
sacrificial lamb sprinkled on them.

We are not fallen, sinful people who deserve to be punished. We are
frightened, insecure people who have achieved the enormous
breakthrough into self-consciousness that marks no other creature
that has yet emerged from the evolutionary cycle. We must not
denigrate the human being who ate of the tree of knowledge in the
Genesis story. We must learn rather to celebrate the creative leap
into a higher humanity. Our sense of separation and aloneness is not
a mark of our sin. It is a symbol of our glory. Our struggle to
survive ... (our) radical self-centeredness, is not the result of
original sin. It is a sign of emerging consciousness. It should not
be a source of guilt. It is a source of blessing. We do not need to
be punished. We need to be called and empowered to be more deeply and
fully human and to develop the godlike gift of being able to give
ourselves away freely in the quest for an even deeper sense of what
it means to live. Jesus did not die for our sins. Jesus demonstrated
in an ultimate way that it is by giving that we receive and by loving
that we enhance life.

Catholic New Times: Jesus did not die for our sins




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