Mystics have always drawn the ire of institutionalized religion 2
From: "Violet"
Date: Fri May 12, 2006 12:26 am
Subject: Re: Mystics have always drawn the ire of institutionalized religion
—- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com," Violet"
Dear All,
Below are some verses from the Bible where it explains that the
prophetic word is not a matter of one's own interpretation, but is
like a 'lamp shining in a dark place' that does not come through an
act of human will, but through men moved by the Holy Spirit.
These same Scriptures also reveal that along with the 'prophetic
word', come the false prophets and false teachers who in their
greed, secretly exploit others with false words, thereby introducing
destructive heresies and actually denying their Master: -
This seems to be happening in Sahaja Yoga too. Jagbir's children
have given the Revelations of the Adi Shakti to confirm Her
Incarnation for future generations. The Adi Shakti has given
evidence through them, which further reveals Her Gnostic Truth. This
evidence does not need interpretation by any man, as it IS self-
evident.
The false prophets and false teachers of Sahaja Yoga have
been 'SECRETLY' exploiting other SY's with false words (such as
calling Jagbir and his children"possessed"by negativity) and they
have also gradually introduced so it has not been very noticeable,
such destructive heresies as what is now the Religion of the Subtle
System within the Organization of Sahaja Yoga.....thus, TOTALLY
NEGLECTING Shri Mataji's important Last Judgment and Resurrection
Teachings as the Promised and Prophesied Cristian Comforter, the
Muslim Mahdi, the Sikh"Eykaa Mayee", the Buddhist"Maitreya", the
Jewish"Shekinah"And the Taoist"Great Mother.”
No wonder there are problems of money, morale and lack of seekers
coming to the Collective (see Post 6133)
—- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com," jagbir singh"
The post probably refers to Vancouver which is the HQ of the
Inquisytion against my sites, children and myself. That is where the
whole sad episode began after ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan murmured to
Richard Payment (who lives there too with Ed Saugstad and company).
BTW, Ed is capable of summoning deities at will, and is an expert
at burning pieces of paper to stop municipal workers from doing their
work. Why not the Vancouver collective seek his awesome powers?
jagbir
—- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com," Violet"
Dear Jagbir and All,
You said: -
"The post probably refers to Vancouver which is the HQ of the Inquisytion
against my sites, children and myself. That is where the whole sad episode began
after ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan murmured to Richard Payment (who lives there
too with Ed Saugstad and company).”
i can confirm that it does refer to Vancouver which is the HQ of the
Inquisytion. The Vancouver SY's are obviously suffering greatly under these
unenlightened managers who cannot uphold the Truth of Shri Mataji, but have
instead instituted what has now become the Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion.
i call it the Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion, because under these
unenlightened managers such as Ed Saugstad, Richard Payment, and others, that is
what it has become. i have no problem with cleansing and clearing techniques,
but under these managers, these techniques,which are JUST TECHNIQUES, have
actually been made into a religion!
Meanwhile Shri Mataji's teachings and the ability to explain Her Teachings by
putting into practice Her Teachings like a scientist and therefore understanding
them (which results in"gnosis"or"self-knowledge") is frowned upon by these
characters. For example, John Noyce used to berate me on this very forum, when i
even tried to elucidate on some of the teachings of Shri Mataji. He, for
example, appears to be just for the reading of Her Words (like the Stiff
Orthodoxy do) and never really discussing their meaning or implications on Her
Devotees. Please read my lips:
"Orthodoxy has always given only partial truth to their parishioners, so as to
keep them under control.”
This is their agenda: -
By watering down Shri Mataji's Powerful Message of Mastership, Guruship, and
Teachership for the individual SY, the above characters (and others too) have
VERY SUBTLY manipulated away Her Full Message and made it into a Subtle System
Message. Can any SY within the Organization truthfully say that under current
management they really CAN BE their own guru, their own teacher, and their own
master? Most of us who have done so, have come up against them.
So...it did not look like they have done these manipulations of Shri Mataji's
Truth. But"THEY"have done it, line by line, word by word, action by action,
and all of a sudden, SURPRISE, SURPRISE! There they are in their positions of
power!
How did they get there, you may ask?
They got there through the unseen subtle maneuverings and manipulations that
have taken place over the YEARS, and behind the scenes, unobserved by Sahaja
Yogis. BUT WE CAN SEE WHO THEY ARE NOW! And that is why there is NOW a window of
opportunity to expose their 'doings' and their 'usurped control' over Sahaja
Yogis, or alternatively, to 'stand up to them' by standing on the Promises and
the Truth of Shri Mataji and all other Incarnations, too.
i occasionally received private emails from JN, before he realized that i will
uphold the Truth of Shri Mataji, and not his truth. If i would discuss upon what
to him was a atouchy' subject on this forum, he would email me and tell me that
"you cannot say that!"
But who is he that he says to me: "you cannot say that.” Is he Shri Mataji? NO!
So, where does he get his authority from, because what i say.....i say on the
basis of Shri Mataji's Words and my own gnostic experience gained through
putting into practice Shri Mataji's instructions, and whenever i hear people
like Ed Saugstad or JN and others talking, it never seems to BE BASED on Shri
Mataji's Words.
It all seems to be based upon: "THEY SAY THAT" (blah, blah, blah blah blah!)"or
"THEY"Will say: "No, you have to have permission with so-and-so"or"THEY"Will
say: "No... you have to wait until such-and-such a thing happens.” This is what
"THEY"say overtly (out in the open).
Covertly (in secrecy under the management-controlled media) they say things
like: "Jagbir is"possessed"And he is a"false guru"And"Violet is a bad
person; do not listen to her.”However, do they ever give any real evidence of
that? No. But, they DO misconstrue what is said to appear like it is said in
contradiction to Shri Mataji's Teachings, and they do this very cleverly. First
they Set In Concrete the Subtle System Religion; then when Jagbir tried to free
people from this"concrete", they easily showed that he is going against the
Subtle System Religion. The minds of a lot of SY's is alreaady that to go
against the false Subtle System Religion as preached by the Priestly Caste, IS
TO GO AGAINST SHRI MATAJI! The fact is; the Truth of Shri Mataji is much deeper
than such shallow knowledge as the Priestly Mafia have made it out to be.
One thing that is noticeable is that they never seem to base their actions on
the Words of Shri Mataji. And they do not seem to reveal vibrations either. One
of their greatest manipulations over SY's also is the Words: -
"You have to listen to your leaders.”
which has definitely been used to"greatest advantage"by them. If the
individual SY actually does listen to their leader, the way the leaders now are
in general, they will be led anywhere these leaders want to lead them. They will
be like the proverbial 'lambs led to the slaughter', and this is what is
happening to the collectives. Ed Saugstad's collective is a very sorry example
of this now.
Please listen! This has got to stop! These characters do not reveal v
vibrations. If they revealed vibrations, they would back up everything they say
with Shri Mataji's Full Truth, and the other Scriptures too! That they do NOT do
this but NOW CLAIM THEY REPRESENT THE WILL OF SHRI MATAJI shows how far their
agenda has progressed. These characters who do not reveal vibrations and imbibe
them, according to Shri Mataji, have no authority to even talk about Sahaja
Yoga. How to get over this, is simple: -
Those Sahaja Yogis who are courageous enough just need to take their power of
yogi-ship back. They do not need to be silenced, told to wait for so and so to
be approved, told that they cannot promote Her Truth in their unique individual
way, told what they are to believe, and how they are to believe, which makes
everyone like a 'same robot'! The Power of Sahaj Yogis is in their individual
unique expression of the Divine within. It must be allowed its free expression,
because this is the Spirit of God expressing Himself in the world!
If each Sahaja Yogi just tells anyone acting in the function of a leader that
they are NOW just listening to Shri Mataji within themselves, and following Her
Bidding, there is still a Window of Opportunity to turn this situation around.
Shri Mataji HAS asked us to discuss Her Words to the optimum, which we are doing
on this forum.
Characters such as the above do not like this, because when we discuss Shri
Mataji's Truth to the optimum, it reflects badly on them, because Her Truth
reveals the 'holes' in their promotion of Sahaj as a Subtle System Religion.
These characters are the same people who (behind the scenes in a clever and
calculating manner) have formed a"solidarity" (as Ed would call it) to
manipulate themselves into positions of power in order to gradually take away
the spiritual liberty of SY's interacting in a Spontaneous Sahaj
Manner.....spontaneously led in spiritual liberty by the Adi Shakti/Holy Spirit
within, as one would expect of enlightened beings.
Instead at every turn, permission is needed to do any work for Shri Mataji. You
might have something important to say, but if these characters do not like what
you have to say, your post JUST WILL NOT GET APPROVED. (THE QUESTION SY'S MUST
ASK IS WHO REALLY GAVE THEM atHIS MUCH' POWER??? The answer is quite simple:
"THEY MANIPULATED THE SITUATION TO GIVE THEMSELVES SO MUCH POWER!"It is"THEY"
who got this much power, instead of"YOU"that got it, because it is"THEY"Who
have had the ambition for this much power, and not yourself who hankered for it.
One thing that must be known is that athis much power' to control others is
always deliberately orchestrated. It does not happen by chance. Shri Mataji
warned us about these deliberate manipulators of the Truth, yet we think that it
cannot happen to us?! i tell you; IT HAS HAPPENED ALREADY!
We have already been informed about the problem in the Vancouver collective,
where this Religion of the Subtle System is practised. It is failing because it
is only a"form of the Truth, and not the Truth Itself.” Other collectives must
take note of this trend, and start to question what the Management is doing to
our collectives. What is Ed Saugstad doing about his collective. That he can
call Jagbir a"possessed Sahaja Yogi"speaks volumes! That he can call Jagbir's
children"As possessed"Also speaks volumes, and reveals NO VIBRATIONS
WHATSOEVER!
Sahaja Yogis who see any such problems need to speak up as this SY did, who had
great concerns about his collective, and not be led in a 'sheep-like' way by
these 'wolves in sheep's clothing' who DARE TO SUPPRESS Her Truth, and replace
it with theirs.
On this media, the Truth can be brought out. We are not afraid to discuss Her
Truth openly to the optimum. We are also not afraid to openly expose those who
are subverting Her Truth for their own selfish ends. The sad truth is that
Sahaja Yogis are succumbing to these characters. Sahaja Yogis need to use the
Power of the Adi Shakti within them to expose the 'wrongs' these people are
perpetrating over the collectives. In reality these characters do not have
spiritual strength. Their strength is in the 'numbers' of their"solidarity.”
There are many more SY's than there are these Mafia Types. They need not to be
feared just because of the power they have usurped.
It is actually easy to stand up to them. What can they do when a person asserts
their own Mastership, their own Guruship and their own Teachership, as Shri
Mataji has asked us to do? The worst thing that they can do is ex-communicate a
person covertly, by talking against them, by telling them that they do not
approve of them, by telling them that they are not doing the right thing,
HOWEVER, they will never 'back it up' with Shri Mataji's Truth. That is the key!
They can be and should be 'stood up to' by quoting Shri Mataji's Words to them.
Words like"I am my own guru, master, and teacher.”"When have you become my
guru, master, or teacher?” "Who gave you the right to dictate what I say in the
Name of the Truth of Shri Mataji.”
Yes...they need to be 'stood up to' in a very Sahaj Manner, and that is just to
stand up for the Truth of Shri Mataji in your own life. Do what you want to
spread Her Truth. Who gave them the authority to suppress you? Shri Mataji did
not! She said that all those who feel and imbibe the vibrations are to speak up
and tell of Sahaja Yoga.
i realize that"fear of the unknown"can happen when you are a salmon swimming
upstream against the tide. But you know.... one 'salmon' had to do it first,
before the others realized they could also do it! However, to get to the goal,
ALL THE SALMON MUST SWIM UPSTREAM TO THE SOURCE OF SUSTENANCE.....eventually.
i also realize that all our fears can also be used against us, by these same
characters. They will use your fear of"being cut off from the Divine"or your
fear of"being cut off from the local collective"Against you, and then if you
do stand up to them, and expose their tactics of control, THEY ARE THE ONES who
have the power NOW to enact that control in the Organization of Sahaja Yoga.
THEY will be the ones to call you"bad"or"possessed"or some other name
through their CONTROLLED MEDIA, but they will NEVER back that up with Shri
Mataji's Words, and clearly explain how it is possible, and what a person has
REALLY done to deserve that"bad name"that they give. The reason they cannot
back up their assertions with Shri Mataji's Own Words, is because Shri Mataji
has never approved of what they are doing. What they are doing is Unsahaj and
Unconscionable and Unjustifiable.
However, when you stand up for the Truth, you are in good company. All the
Incarnations have faced all these fears, and overcome them. What has Shri Mataji
not spoken out against when it was wrong? Did fear keep Her from declaring the
Full Truth? We must also speak out bravely, as She has done, and not be afraid.
Fear is not a Sahaj Characteristic, but Courage, Determination, and Love for All
Mankind are, and it is only these characteristics that Shri Mataji also had that
will save the humanity! It will take very courageous and strong Sahaja Yogis to
save the humanity, also. But THAT is our task!
This forum, unlike the Mafia-Controlled ones, is for everyone to tell the truth
and to celebrate and enjoy the Full Truth and Teachings of Shri Mataji Nirmala
Devi. It is to spread Her Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. Please
join us and feel the freedom to express your Truth within of Sahaja Yoga. You
can tell the Whole World of the Great Gift that Shri Mataji has brought, and you
can tell it in your unique way, and not in a way that has been prescribed for
you. We will never try to silence or restrict Sahaja Yogis on what they can or
cannot say (as long as they back it up with Shri Mataji's Words and Scriptures)
because we realize that each Sahaja Yogi is a drop in the Ocean of the Divine
within.
Jai Shri Mataji!
love and best wishes,
violet
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