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Secret taught by living Jesus: "If you know yourself then
you know the Kingdom of God."
From: "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:18 pm
Subject: Re: Secret taught by living Jesus: "If you know
yourself then you know the Kingdom of God."
To all on Christmas Eve,
i came across an article today and reflected on it's deep
spiritual
truth:
"Self-realization, a fact of experience
Enunciation of the nature of the Atman (soul, Self) forms
the
central theme of the Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads. A
common
feature of their approach is that this abstract spiritual
knowledge
is conveyed through a dialogue between the Guru (preceptor)
and the
Sishya (syudent). In the Bhagavad Gita for instance, the
teaching
unfolded in the battlefield when Arjuna expressed his
despondency to
Lord Krishna. The Lord who had till then been his charioteer
assumed
the role of his teacher.
In the second chapter is the Lord's teaching of the nature
of the
Atman to convince Arjuna about its eternal nature so that he
would
not grieve over death which was inevitable in the war. The
Lord
pointed out to him, "There is no permanent existence for the
destructible bodies. The soul, on the contrary never ceases
to be."
Only the wise understands the real nature of these two.
Understand
that the soul which pervades, penetrates and comprehends is
imperishable and not being liable to destruction, nothing
can cause
its destruction."
In his lecture on the Bhagavad Gita Swami Paramarthananda
said that
consciousness was intrinsic to the soul and it was external
and
could exist independently of matter. This is a very
important
feature of Vedanta which holds consciousness as the basis of
existence. This is opposed to the predominant view of
science which
postulates matter as the fundamental principle and
consciousness as
adventitious to matter. So according to Vedanta matter is
only a
temporary phenomena.
Consciousness is always the experiencer and cannot become
the object
of experience. Further it is not subject to growth and
decay; and is
not a doer (akarta) or an enjoyer (abhokta). So it can never
be
touched by Karma. Birth and death which take place according
to the
dictates of Karma thus does not afflict the soul.
This is the reason why the Lord has said that it was only a
wise
person (Jnani) who could truly know the nature of the Self.
What is
the Jnani's understanding? He has the knowledge of the Atman
as the
eternal consciousness which is indestructible, changeless,
birthless
and decayless. This knowledge takes place in two stages.
When the student learns this from his teacher he first
identifies
himself with his mind and body and is under the assumption
that he
has an Atman which is eternal, unlike his body. By
internalizing
this knowledge through constant meditation the student
identifies
himself with the Self and understands that his body is
adventitious
to it, which is the result of Self-realization. The whole
process is
not just verbalization but a fact of experience." (Pragati,
Vol.21,
No.12 - Dec. 2005)
ad●ven●ti●tious
1. Arising from an external source or occurring in an
unusual place
or manner; extrinsic.
2. Occurring accidentally or spontaneously, not caused by
heredity.
3. Adventitial.
Source: The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary
Copyright © 2002, 2001, 1995 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published
by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Main Entry: ad●ven●ti●tious
1 a : arising sporadically or in other than the usual
location <an
adventitious part in embryonic development> b : occurring
spontaneously or accidentally in a country or region to
which it is
not native <an adventitious insect>
2 : ADVENTITIAL
3 : not congenital <adventitious deafness> —ad●ven●ti●tious●ly
adverb
Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002
Merriam-
Webster, Inc.
The more I read the article the more it made me realize that
Self-
realization is a subject extremely difficult to understand.
It takes
time to realize the Atman as the eternal consciousness which
is
indestructible, changeless, birthless and decayless. This
knowledge
takes place in two stages.
From the physical Shri Mataji we learnt to identify
ourselves with
our mind and body, still under the assumption that we have
an Atman
which is eternal, unlike our bodies. By internalizing this
knowledge
through the Sahasrara where She resides the Divine Mother
directs us
to identify ourselves with the Self and understand that this
body
is adventitious to it. The whole process of Self-realization
is not
just verbalization but a fact of inner experience.
We can truly learn from those who have experienced both
their
physical and spiritual self. The spiritual self within our
physical
bodies is indeed made up of consciousness. Matter (physical
body) is
only a temporary phenomena whereas consciousness (the soul)
is
eternal. Kash, Arwin and Lalita have experienced thousands
of times
that we are eternal souls (consciousness) living in a
physical body
(matter). (Those SYs who cannot understand should not
protest in
ignorance because Vedanta not only supports such experiences
but
enable us to comprehend better this really difficult
subject.)
Consciousness is indeed intrinsic to the soul and it is
external and
can exist independently of matter. This is a very important
feature
of Vedanta which holds consciousness as the basis of
existence. This
is opposed to the predominant view of science which
postulates
matter as the fundamental principle and consciousness as
adventitious to matter.
On this Christmas eve may this central teaching of the
Sanatana
Dharma enlighten all. If you want to understand what Jesus
said, you
have to recognize yourself. You have to know yourself, know
who you
are. It begins with a saying about the Kingdom of God, "if
you seek
the Kingdom of God in the sky then the birds will precede
you. And
if you seek it in the sea, then the fish will precede you,
but the
Kingdom is in you. And if you know yourself then you know
the
Kingdom of God." "But if you don't know yourself, you live
in
poverty." And poverty is understood as the ignorance of a
life in
its physical existence. Knowledge is understood to be the
knowledge
of one's divine origin, of the fact that one has come from
the
Kingdom. We are on this earth only in a sojourn. Learn from
the
Divine Mother that all Holy Scriptures, religions and
messengers
urge us to attain Self-realization. The preachers in
churches,
mosques, synagogues, temples and gurdwaras have no idea what
it is
all about.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays,
jagbir
>
> From: "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org@y...>
> Date: Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:51 am
> Subject: Secret taught by living Jesus: "If you know
yourself
> then you know the Kingdom of God."
>
> —- In shriadishakti@yahoogroups.com, "jagbir singh"
> <adishakti_org@y...> wrote:
> >
> > On December 9, 1996, at 5:45 a.m. Kash was again asked
about his
> > previously mistaken 'out-of-body' belief. He still
insisted
> > that it is impossible to believe that one is within the
body —
> > even after being enlightened by the Great Adi Shakti
that
> > everything is within the Sahasrara!
> >
> > In other words, despite his misconception being
corrected by the
> > Great Supreme Spirit, he still could not feel or
remember this
> > fact whenever he entered his own Thousand-Petal Lotus.
He still
> > thought he left his body and went out into the Universe
to the
> > place humans call the Kingdom of God. According to Kash,
it is
> > impossible for one to know that they are in their own
> > Sahasraras. It is impossible to feel the Kingdom of God
within
> > the human body.
> >
> > It is just impossible to comprehend, while being within
the
> > Sahasrara, that this gross physical world exists
outside! In
> > other words, on Earth it is impossible to comprehend the
subtle
> > spiritual Sahasrara within. It is just as difficult
within the
> > Sahasrara to comprehend that this gross physical Earth
exists
> > without.
> >
> > On October 9, 1997, at 19.00 p.m. he was asked if the
Spiritual
> > World was as real as this Earth, i.e., was it as
tangible as
> > watching television, talking with his family and all the
normal
> > activities that makes physical life so conscious and
real. He
> > replied that not only is the Kingdom of God really real,
just as
> > this physical world, but also "better, quieter and more
> > peaceful."
> >
>
>
>
> "One of these documents [found at Nag Hammadi] begins with
the
> scribal note in the margin, "The Gospel According to
Thomas." And
> the first sentence of that document says, "These are the
secret
> words which the living Jesus taught and which Judas Thomas
Didymos
> wrote down." And then they start a total of over 110
sayings, each
> introduced by "Jesus said...." ...
>
> Now what is typical about these sayings is that in each
instance,
> these sayings want to say that if you want to understand
what Jesus
> said, you have to recognize yourself. You have to know
yourself,
> know who you are. It begins with a saying about the
Kingdom of God,
> "if you seek the Kingdom of God in the sky then the birds
will
> precede you. And if you seek it in the sea, then the fish
will
> precede you, but the Kingdom is in you. And if you know
yourself
> then you know the Kingdom of God." (The Kingdom of the
Father, in
> fact, it always says in the gospel of Thomas. Normally the
Kingdom
> of the Father, not the Kingdom of God.) "But if you don't
know
> yourself, you live in poverty." And poverty is understood
as the
> ignorance of a life in its physical existence. Knowledge
is
> understood to be the knowledge of one's divine origin, of
the fact
> that one has come from the Kingdom. That we are on this
earth only
> in a sojourn....
>
> What does it mean really to know oneself? To know oneself
is to
> have insight into one's own ultimate divine identity. You
can go
> back to understand this to Greek models, which certainly
> exist. "Know yourself" is a very old Greek maxim... that
is, you
> have to know that your own soul is divine, and then you
know that
> you are immortal, whereas the body is the mortal part of
human
> existence. Now this is radicalized in the Gospel of Thomas
into
> saying that everything that is experienced physically and
through
> sense perception, everything in this world that you can
perceive
> in this way is nothing. It is, at best, chaos and, at
worst, it
> doesn't even exist in reality. The only thing that really
exists
> is your divine spirit or your divine soul, which is
identical in
> its quality with God himself. And Jesus is the one who
teaches
> that....
>
> When one truly knows oneself, one understands that one is
divine,
> but also one understands that one is mortal. In such a
way, you
> recognize that this mortality is really meaningless, as
physical
> existence is meaningless. And therefore, death is no
longer a
> problem, but death is a solution, because in death finally
all
> this mortality will fall away, and the true self will be
liberated
> to an independent existence that's no longer dependent on
physical
> existence. And on everything that goes with physical
existence,
> sickness and poverty and so on. And so physical existence
is often
> described as poverty. But when you know yourself you are
no longer
> in poverty."
>
> Helmut Koester, PBS and WGBH/FRONTLINE, 1998
> (Helmut Koester: John H. Morison Professor of New
Testament Studies
> and Winn Professor of Ecclesiastical History Harvard
Divinity
> School)
>
>
>
"So the fear of death is another nonsense people has. First
time
when I started my work, everywhere they asked me what about
death? I
said, just now you're living why are you asking what about
death? So
many people ask me question what about death, why do you
want to
know? I'll tell you about today, just now.
So there's another mad idea that we should know about our
death
what's going to happen and whatever happen. Once you are
dead you
are finished, you don't have to do anything after that. So
what is
the use of knowing when you will die, what will happen to
you,
whatever has to happen will happen. We never ask when we
sleep what
will happen to me, do we? But this is permanent sleep and we
worry
so much about it that we should know what will happen after
death.
One has to die at the time whenever one has to die. Because
whatever
is born has to be dead. But you do know that you have got
eternal
life, you can never die.
Death is not this body disappearing, death is where you are
absolutely without any control of your soul life. Once you
are a
realized soul you have all the control, all the powers, take
your
soul wherever you feel like, to be born if you like, if you
don't
like you will not be born. To be born with the people in the
families, in the communities wherever you like.
There are many great souls, I know, that have taken birth
daringly
into societies which are very much I should say are in
danger of
getting destroyed because of stupidity they do.
So this happening that we are afraid of death is absolutely
absurd
for Sahaja Yogis. What is there to think even about your
death. There
is nothing like death for you, because you have got eternal
life. It
is not that you continue with your same body, you may go on
changing
your dress. But you are living, you are aware and you know.
Even if
this body is not there, you will be there, all the time,
available
for Sahaja Yoga for anything that is to be done in the name
of
reality. So you must know your position as eternal being,
what is
your work, what is your idea, what you have to do.
So one has to get rid of this idea of death, because death
doesn't
exist for you, it's finished. Moreover all such people who
are afraid
of their death go on having insurances, this, that, all
headaches you
see. And ultimately what happens, all these worldly things
we leave
here and depart. There is, I don't think, anybody could
carry even a
little dust with that soul which is departing.
But in your case, when you people are no more on this earth
so
called. Then you don't carry all this material thing,
because you've
already given up, you have no interest in them. You're not
materialistic. So your spirit is free and when you die is a
very
simple thing that you feel very liberated, absolutely. And
then you
feel your freedom, completely. And you can decide what you
want to
do. It's all under your own guidance, your own desire,
everything
works out. You don't feel that you have come out of your
body, and
this is what should tell you that there should be no fear of
death,
but on the contrary it should be welcomed. Because you will
feel much
more liberated, much more at ease. You don't have other
problems
that you have to in any case carry on in this world so
called
because of your body. Now see, I have to take some
medicines, I have
to take some vitamins, don't have to take anything. Don't
need
anything. This body finished is a very good idea.
So troublesome it is you see, all the time. Despite the fact
you may
say that I don't care for this body and all that. But this
body won't
leave you. It's the most sticky thing we have is our body.
So to
forget about death should be the easiest thing for you!"
The Messiah-Paraclete-Ruh-Devi
From: "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:37 am
Subject: Re: Secret taught by living Jesus: "If you know
yourself then you know the Kingdom of God."
>
> In his lecture on the Bhagavad Gita Swami Paramarthananda
said
> that consciousness was intrinsic to the soul and it was
external
> and could exist independently of matter. This is a very
important
> feature of Vedanta which holds consciousness as the basis
of
> existence. This is opposed to the predominant view of
science
> which postulates matter as the fundamental principle and
> consciousness as adventitious to matter. So according to
Vedanta
> matter is only a temporary phenomena.
>
> Consciousness is always the experiencer and cannot become
the
> object of experience. Further it is not subject to growth
and
> decay; and is not a doer (akarta) or an enjoyer (abhokta).
So it
> can never be touched by Karma. Birth and death which take
place
> according to the dictates of Karma thus does not afflict
the soul.
>
Those who are desirous of understanding this deep spiritual
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that is
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i did recommend these double CDs a year or two ago but now,
after
having read the post below, am convinced are indispensible
for those
who want to attain the much deeper and difficult knowledge
of Self-
realization. Just get hold of these two CDs and listen to
them for
the rest of your lives because Self-realization is much more
than
what SYs generally understand. It is only when you know the
nature
of Consciousness (Shakti within) will you truly, over many
years,
slowly discover and realize your own divine nature too. It
is very
difficult to sustain daily attention on the Spirit and that
is why
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Kingdom of
God (Brahman/Shakti in Sahasrara) within.
Jai Shri Mataji,
jagbir
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