Secret taught by living Jesus: "If you know yourself then
you know the Kingdom of God."
From: "jagbir singh" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:18 pm
Subject: Re: Secret taught by living Jesus: "If you know
yourself then you know the Kingdom of God."
To all on Christmas Eve,
i came across an article today and reflected on it's deep
"Self-realization, a fact of experience
Enunciation of the nature of the Atman (soul, Self) forms
central theme of the Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads. A
feature of their approach is that this abstract spiritual
is conveyed through a dialogue between the Guru (preceptor)
Sishya (syudent). In the Bhagavad Gita for instance, the
unfolded in the battlefield when Arjuna expressed his
Lord Krishna. The Lord who had till then been his charioteer
the role of his teacher.
In the second chapter is the Lord's teaching of the nature
Atman to convince Arjuna about its eternal nature so that he
not grieve over death which was inevitable in the war. The
pointed out to him, "There is no permanent existence for the
destructible bodies. The soul, on the contrary never ceases
Only the wise understands the real nature of these two.
that the soul which pervades, penetrates and comprehends is
imperishable and not being liable to destruction, nothing
In his lecture on the Bhagavad Gita Swami Paramarthananda
consciousness was intrinsic to the soul and it was external
could exist independently of matter. This is a very
feature of Vedanta which holds consciousness as the basis of
existence. This is opposed to the predominant view of
postulates matter as the fundamental principle and
adventitious to matter. So according to Vedanta matter is
Consciousness is always the experiencer and cannot become
of experience. Further it is not subject to growth and
decay; and is
not a doer (akarta) or an enjoyer (abhokta). So it can never
touched by Karma. Birth and death which take place according
dictates of Karma thus does not afflict the soul.
This is the reason why the Lord has said that it was only a
person (Jnani) who could truly know the nature of the Self.
the Jnani's understanding? He has the knowledge of the Atman
eternal consciousness which is indestructible, changeless,
and decayless. This knowledge takes place in two stages.
When the student learns this from his teacher he first
himself with his mind and body and is under the assumption
has an Atman which is eternal, unlike his body. By
this knowledge through constant meditation the student
himself with the Self and understands that his body is
to it, which is the result of Self-realization. The whole
not just verbalization but a fact of experience." (Pragati,
No.12 - Dec. 2005)
1. Arising from an external source or occurring in an
or manner; extrinsic.
2. Occurring accidentally or spontaneously, not caused by
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by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Main Entry: ad●ven●ti●tious
1 a : arising sporadically or in other than the usual
adventitious part in embryonic development> b : occurring
spontaneously or accidentally in a country or region to
which it is
not native <an adventitious insect>
2 : ADVENTITIAL
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The more I read the article the more it made me realize that
realization is a subject extremely difficult to understand.
time to realize the Atman as the eternal consciousness which
indestructible, changeless, birthless and decayless. This
takes place in two stages.
From the physical Shri Mataji we learnt to identify
our mind and body, still under the assumption that we have
which is eternal, unlike our bodies. By internalizing this
through the Sahasrara where She resides the Divine Mother
to identify ourselves with the Self and understand that this
is adventitious to it. The whole process of Self-realization
just verbalization but a fact of inner experience.
We can truly learn from those who have experienced both
physical and spiritual self. The spiritual self within our
bodies is indeed made up of consciousness. Matter (physical
only a temporary phenomena whereas consciousness (the soul)
eternal. Kash, Arwin and Lalita have experienced thousands
that we are eternal souls (consciousness) living in a
(matter). (Those SYs who cannot understand should not
ignorance because Vedanta not only supports such experiences
enable us to comprehend better this really difficult
Consciousness is indeed intrinsic to the soul and it is
can exist independently of matter. This is a very important
of Vedanta which holds consciousness as the basis of
is opposed to the predominant view of science which
matter as the fundamental principle and consciousness as
adventitious to matter.
On this Christmas eve may this central teaching of the
Dharma enlighten all. If you want to understand what Jesus
have to recognize yourself. You have to know yourself, know
are. It begins with a saying about the Kingdom of God, "if
the Kingdom of God in the sky then the birds will precede
if you seek it in the sea, then the fish will precede you,
Kingdom is in you. And if you know yourself then you know
Kingdom of God." "But if you don't know yourself, you live
poverty." And poverty is understood as the ignorance of a
its physical existence. Knowledge is understood to be the
of one's divine origin, of the fact that one has come from
Kingdom. We are on this earth only in a sojourn. Learn from
Divine Mother that all Holy Scriptures, religions and
urge us to attain Self-realization. The preachers in
mosques, synagogues, temples and gurdwaras have no idea what
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays,
> From: "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org@y...>
> Date: Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:51 am
> Subject: Secret taught by living Jesus: "If you know
> then you know the Kingdom of God."
> —- In email@example.com, "jagbir singh"
> <adishakti_org@y...> wrote:
> > On December 9, 1996, at 5:45 a.m. Kash was again asked
> > previously mistaken 'out-of-body' belief. He still
> > that it is impossible to believe that one is within the
> > even after being enlightened by the Great Adi Shakti
> > everything is within the Sahasrara!
> > In other words, despite his misconception being
corrected by the
> > Great Supreme Spirit, he still could not feel or
> > fact whenever he entered his own Thousand-Petal Lotus.
> > thought he left his body and went out into the Universe
> > place humans call the Kingdom of God. According to Kash,
> > impossible for one to know that they are in their own
> > Sahasraras. It is impossible to feel the Kingdom of God
> > the human body.
> > It is just impossible to comprehend, while being within
> > Sahasrara, that this gross physical world exists
> > other words, on Earth it is impossible to comprehend the
> > spiritual Sahasrara within. It is just as difficult
> > Sahasrara to comprehend that this gross physical Earth
> > without.
> > On October 9, 1997, at 19.00 p.m. he was asked if the
> > World was as real as this Earth, i.e., was it as
> > watching television, talking with his family and all the
> > activities that makes physical life so conscious and
> > replied that not only is the Kingdom of God really real,
> > this physical world, but also "better, quieter and more
> > peaceful."
> "One of these documents [found at Nag Hammadi] begins with
> scribal note in the margin, "The Gospel According to
> the first sentence of that document says, "These are the
> words which the living Jesus taught and which Judas Thomas
> wrote down." And then they start a total of over 110
> introduced by "Jesus said...." ...
> Now what is typical about these sayings is that in each
> these sayings want to say that if you want to understand
> said, you have to recognize yourself. You have to know
> know who you are. It begins with a saying about the
Kingdom of God,
> "if you seek the Kingdom of God in the sky then the birds
> precede you. And if you seek it in the sea, then the fish
> precede you, but the Kingdom is in you. And if you know
> then you know the Kingdom of God." (The Kingdom of the
> fact, it always says in the gospel of Thomas. Normally the
> of the Father, not the Kingdom of God.) "But if you don't
> yourself, you live in poverty." And poverty is understood
> ignorance of a life in its physical existence. Knowledge
> understood to be the knowledge of one's divine origin, of
> that one has come from the Kingdom. That we are on this
> in a sojourn....
> What does it mean really to know oneself? To know oneself
> have insight into one's own ultimate divine identity. You
> back to understand this to Greek models, which certainly
> exist. "Know yourself" is a very old Greek maxim... that
> have to know that your own soul is divine, and then you
> you are immortal, whereas the body is the mortal part of
> existence. Now this is radicalized in the Gospel of Thomas
> saying that everything that is experienced physically and
> sense perception, everything in this world that you can
> in this way is nothing. It is, at best, chaos and, at
> doesn't even exist in reality. The only thing that really
> is your divine spirit or your divine soul, which is
> its quality with God himself. And Jesus is the one who
> When one truly knows oneself, one understands that one is
> but also one understands that one is mortal. In such a
> recognize that this mortality is really meaningless, as
> existence is meaningless. And therefore, death is no
> problem, but death is a solution, because in death finally
> this mortality will fall away, and the true self will be
> to an independent existence that's no longer dependent on
> existence. And on everything that goes with physical
> sickness and poverty and so on. And so physical existence
> described as poverty. But when you know yourself you are
> in poverty."
> Helmut Koester, PBS and WGBH/FRONTLINE, 1998
> (Helmut Koester: John H. Morison Professor of New
> and Winn Professor of Ecclesiastical History Harvard
"So the fear of death is another nonsense people has. First
when I started my work, everywhere they asked me what about
said, just now you're living why are you asking what about
many people ask me question what about death, why do you
know? I'll tell you about today, just now.
So there's another mad idea that we should know about our
what's going to happen and whatever happen. Once you are
are finished, you don't have to do anything after that. So
the use of knowing when you will die, what will happen to
whatever has to happen will happen. We never ask when we
will happen to me, do we? But this is permanent sleep and we
so much about it that we should know what will happen after
One has to die at the time whenever one has to die. Because
is born has to be dead. But you do know that you have got
life, you can never die.
Death is not this body disappearing, death is where you are
absolutely without any control of your soul life. Once you
realized soul you have all the control, all the powers, take
soul wherever you feel like, to be born if you like, if you
like you will not be born. To be born with the people in the
families, in the communities wherever you like.
There are many great souls, I know, that have taken birth
into societies which are very much I should say are in
getting destroyed because of stupidity they do.
So this happening that we are afraid of death is absolutely
for Sahaja Yogis. What is there to think even about your
is nothing like death for you, because you have got eternal
is not that you continue with your same body, you may go on
your dress. But you are living, you are aware and you know.
this body is not there, you will be there, all the time,
for Sahaja Yoga for anything that is to be done in the name
reality. So you must know your position as eternal being,
your work, what is your idea, what you have to do.
So one has to get rid of this idea of death, because death
exist for you, it's finished. Moreover all such people who
of their death go on having insurances, this, that, all
see. And ultimately what happens, all these worldly things
here and depart. There is, I don't think, anybody could
carry even a
little dust with that soul which is departing.
But in your case, when you people are no more on this earth
called. Then you don't carry all this material thing,
already given up, you have no interest in them. You're not
materialistic. So your spirit is free and when you die is a
simple thing that you feel very liberated, absolutely. And
feel your freedom, completely. And you can decide what you
do. It's all under your own guidance, your own desire,
works out. You don't feel that you have come out of your
this is what should tell you that there should be no fear of
but on the contrary it should be welcomed. Because you will
more liberated, much more at ease. You don't have other
that you have to in any case carry on in this world so
because of your body. Now see, I have to take some
medicines, I have
to take some vitamins, don't have to take anything. Don't
anything. This body finished is a very good idea.
So troublesome it is you see, all the time. Despite the fact
say that I don't care for this body and all that. But this
leave you. It's the most sticky thing we have is our body.
forget about death should be the easiest thing for you!"
From: "jagbir singh" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:37 am
Subject: Re: Secret taught by living Jesus: "If you know
yourself then you know the Kingdom of God."
> In his lecture on the Bhagavad Gita Swami Paramarthananda
> that consciousness was intrinsic to the soul and it was
> and could exist independently of matter. This is a very
> feature of Vedanta which holds consciousness as the basis
> existence. This is opposed to the predominant view of
> which postulates matter as the fundamental principle and
> consciousness as adventitious to matter. So according to
> matter is only a temporary phenomena.
> Consciousness is always the experiencer and cannot become
> object of experience. Further it is not subject to growth
> decay; and is not a doer (akarta) or an enjoyer (abhokta).
> can never be touched by Karma. Birth and death which take
> according to the dictates of Karma thus does not afflict
Those who are desirous of understanding this deep spiritual
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VOLUME 1 - Total Duration 53:34 min
Asato ma sada gamaya
Isavasyam idam sarvam
Yan manasa na manute yena
Uttishthata jagrata prapya
Sa yathema nadayah
VOLUME 2 - Total Duration 44:55 min
Nantah-prajanam na bahis-prajanam
Yato vacho nivartante
Esa Brahmaisa Indra esa Prajapatirete
Sa ya esho nima aitadatmyam
Brahma va idamagara"
i did recommend these double CDs a year or two ago but now,
having read the post below, am convinced are indispensible
who want to attain the much deeper and difficult knowledge
realization. Just get hold of these two CDs and listen to
the rest of your lives because Self-realization is much more
what SYs generally understand. It is only when you know the
of Consciousness (Shakti within) will you truly, over many
slowly discover and realize your own divine nature too. It
difficult to sustain daily attention on the Spirit and that
regular listening of this excellent CD, with fantastic music
match, is necessary. Please buy this CD and i guarantee you
benefit in mind, body and soul. Pleeeeaaassseeee purchase it
cost because only if you know yourself will you know the
God (Brahman/Shakti in Sahasrara) within.
Jai Shri Mataji,