Shri Mataji: "But if you put one little fish and two eggs for ten people"
Dear devotees of the Adi Shakti,
i want all to read this 1985 speech by Shri Mataji which Violet
brought up and is working on. (As moderator i had a peek and could
not resist commenting.)
"But for that we have to remember that we have developed lots of antidotes in England. Like the words I've seen people use, very common is," That may be too much";"It may be too much";"They're frightened";"One shouldn't say too much.”
You should, when you say too much at least little bit will go into their heads. So you have to say too much. Say what you want. There should be exuberance, exuberance of your ideas, so that something goes into their heads. They know that you're sincere, you're saying it sincerely, you cannot contain within yourself. Emphatically you have to say these. That's what everybody did. All those who were great incarnations said it with such concern, with such force. In the same way, you have to say without any fear.”Oh, that may be too much, Mother it was too much for him.”Let him be blasted! Doesn't matter, say everything that you have to say. Absolutely, with full heart.
But when people come to Sahaja Yoga, when they come for say, a workshop or something, we try to be the same party people. Like in the party, you see," What will you have?"Then we'll say," Alright, let me think. What did I have yesterday, so I'll have today this thing.”It's like a shopping going on.
No, you have to say," We have this and please have it now, otherwise you won't have it. This is the time!"Let them say what they like. It's important. I see sometimes your SDP conferences and all these, the way they speak, they just blast you, I mean, hammer in your head. Why should we not, when this is the truth? Why should we not tell them and talk to them in that manner? We think by being gentle... alright gentleness is different, but I mean to say by saying less than I say, understatement. It's typical English"That might be too much.”
In Sahaja Yoga it is such a lot that how much are you going to pour out, can never be too much. So be careful on that. When you've to say it, say it in a very blasty way, doesn't matter. What are they going to do? They can't crucify me this time, can they? They dare not. Otherwise perfectly alright, nothing can touch me. And even crucifixion cannot touch me, you know that.
So you better say what you've found out, in a big way. And tell them in a big way, of course loving and gentle manner but tell them, the concern should be there. Alright?... I don't say you aggress but don't say anything less, understatement is not needed. There should not be any balancing in that. Those people who'll be appeased by that will not be good Sahaja Yogis. They cannot come in the Kingdom of God. We don't have to be begging of them but we have to honour them, we have to respect them, we have to be kind to them, but we have to give them what we have. Like in the family, you go, you get everything from the fridge and give it to them, they'll be very happy to take it whatever you like, what a spread. But if you put one little fish and two eggs for ten people with one chili to say that it is Sahaja Yoga, maybe a lemon, they will think," What's this going on here? Wishy-washy stuff.” "
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Sheffield, UK, September 21 1985
So we have solid, irrefutable evidence that Shri Mataji wanted the Truth to be told openly without any fear or understatement. By the words used it is clear that Shri Mataji was ticking off and scolding cowardly SYs who were using all sorts of excuses not to frighten off new seekers with the truth. i believe She was greatly disappointed with such timid devotees:
"But if you put one little fish and two eggs for ten people with one chili to say that it is Sahaja Yoga, maybe a lemon, they will think," What's this going on here. Wishy-washy stuff.”
(i believe She was critical of the lemon and chilli treatment combo that has today beome the sacred cow of WCASY/Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion.)
Anyway, that was 21 years ago.
Today the same timid folks have all climbed up the SY leadership ladder and make the bulk of WCASY. In short, they hold all the important decision-making positions ........ a cabal of cowards who scratch each other's back (and occasionally stab too, as Guido and company have unfortunately found out too late). Some council members like Alan Wherry use aspiring sidekicks like John Noyce and others to do their dirty work of monitoring this forum to harass/keep tabs on those freeing themselves from the SY leadership clutches to follow Shri Mataji's clear injunctions to openly announce Her incarnation and message.
Shri Mataji is now very old, tired and, probably having had enough, has resorted to silence as those cowards in charge do not understand that"If you put one little fish and two eggs for ten people with one chili to say that it is Sahaja Yoga, maybe a lemon, they will think," What's this going on here? Wishy-washy stuff.”
i have a Feb 2006 post from Kyyan (Vancouver collective) that confirms nothing has changed since Shri Mataji's castigation of the cowardly types in 1985:
"Like the words I've seen people use, very common is," That may be too much";"It may be too much";"They're frightened";"One shouldn't say too much.”
It is almost unbelievable that after 21 years WCASY and the SY leadership can still convince SYs that the truth will be too much for seekers and that they should not say too much ...... but just give Self-realization. It is probably the greatest collective lie in Sahaja Yoga history. What rank and file SYs do not realize is that history is a harsh judge who never forgets .......... or forgives.
—- In firstname.lastname@example.org," v_koa"
(the yogi i originally named will remain absent to protect his privacy) is right, and I have been thinking this and discussing this with many yogis online for many months.
What it comes down to is exactly what (name withheld) yogi said: - telling the truth. Holding a meeting once a week to give realization is good, but how much is truly being done to get mothers message out there like she has asked repeatedly?, which is the message that it is the last judgement and resurrection time as prophesied in the bible and other spiritual texts, and that she is the Adi Shakti, (the incarnation of the Holy spirit), the breath of God, that has been promised by Jesus to come in the time before the end to comfort people, and to teach all he could not teach about the kingdom of God. In laymen's terms, it is the time for us to Ascend as a whole and individually and that The Adi Shakti (Holy Spirit)is here on earth to connect us to ourselves and to God, allowing us time to purify ourselves and introduce others to Her and to them selves so they have the same chance and to be saved and to enjoy the spirit and all the blessing that go along with it.
I feel that the Ashram is suffering as well, in part to what (name withheld) has said, but I feel also because we are not openly declaring the truth of what SY is, basically not doing as mother has asked. Do we really think that SY is going to spread like wildfire if we cloak it to initial visitors as a yoga that raises the kundalini and works on the chakras? I mean in a huge sea of similar yogas and meditation classes that are out there as well that claim to raise the kundalini and do this and that with the Chakras, and even another"group"that claims their leader is the incarnation of the Adi Shakti (yes there is another meditation group claiming an obvious fake who has no power to be the Adi Shakti), do we really think that marketing this as a"special yoga"or stress relief and health benefit yoga is going to get followers when there are already loads of the same out there that charge lots of money (people feel secure and ensured of the benefit if they have to pay for some reason) and put so much into flashy advertising, while we twinkle like a Christmas light on a sunny day?
I know that people may be fearful that many won't accept the fact that"judgement day"As it were, is actually a period of time (not a day) in which we are currently living and may scoff, ridicule or run away from SY. Even more to that point, many are probably scared that if we openly tell others, especially beginners, that SY is not just a meditation, but is the only way to take part in the Last Judgement and it is our birth right, as well as the fact that Mother is the Holy Spirit(not just an incarnation who remains nameless at first, or a guru, or highly evolved soul as it is being said at most meetings) that these people may flee and never return or not come back because its too religious or whatever. There is no doubt this may happen, but by far I can't see it as being a trend. If anything, if more people know the depth and truth of SY and who mother is right up front, whether they believe or not, they would be more inclined to stay on or keep it locked in there heads like"What if what they are saying is true?"Instead of running away and never returning. I mean right now how many really return or practice, especially those who have damaged their subtle system so much that they don't feel anything for quite some time? How many of those people will come back if they feel nothing, knowing that its just another meditation to bring peace to the mind, like the thousands out there claiming the same thing as we are currently explaining SY to people?
They would and will not return because they have gotten nothing out of it. If people knew the truth, and that this was not just a meditation but the connection to the Holy spirit and"heaven"And that the one who is in the picture is actually the Holy Spirit, they would be more inclined to stay despite feeling little or nothing. Not only that, those that run may eventually come back because of this fact and besides, how well has our"bait people with a special yoga and tell the whole truth later"Idea worked for SY and our collective so far? By the looks of things, not very good, or at least as well as it could be working.
The way I see it, deceiving people or only telling part of the truth or a"half truth"Is still lying, and how long are we going to lie or deceive in order to tell the truth? The end does not justify the means, especially when Mother has asked us to declare the time of Judgement and resurrection is now and that she is the Adi Shakti? The quote to which I am referring are below; think about them:
**I am the Adi Shakti. I am the One who has come on this Earth for the first time in this form to do this tremendous task . The more you understand this the better it would be. You will change tremendously.
I knew I'll have to say that openly one day and we have said it. But now it is you people who have to prove it that I am that!"
Shri Adi-Shakti Devi
Sydney, Australia — March 21, 1983
"You have to take a stand in your family, in your surroundings, with your friends, and you have to tell them," You better all get realized.”The reason for that is that the Christ who crucified Himself is going to come back with his Eleven Forces of Destruction. And when He starts He is not going to ask you to take any Realization. No one is going to be bothered whether you are going to hell. He will just sort out. But those who have got Realization will enter into the Kingdom of God. You have to enter into the Kingdom of God here (pointing to the Sahastrara in the photo)), as I say, in the Seventh Chakra.”
Shri Adi Shakti Devi
The New Age Has Started,
Houston, USA — Oct. 6, 1981
**Words of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi:
"Tell all the nations and tell all the people, all over, the great message - that the time of Resurrection is Here. Now, at this time, and that you all are capable of doing it. You are the ones who are capable of manifesting God's joy on this earth. You are the flutes which are going to play the Melody of God. I am doing all this to perfect you to be the 'most' beautiful instruments of God. Like the ship is built, is brought to the sea, tried, and found out to be sea- worthy to sail out, when you know everything about the ship, everything about the sea, with complete freedom and wisdom, you have to sail now. Not afraid of any storms or any gales or any typhoons because now all you 'know'. Your job is to cross through.”You become the Ocean, you become the Moon, you become the Sun, you become the Earth, you become the Ether, the firmament - and you become, the Spirit. You work for all of them. All the stars and universes you become, and take up their work.”
(Australian Sahaja Newsletter - 28 September 1996)**
She has said all of this back in 1996 and how many people out there worldwide in SY have openly done this, and how many other people know about it outside of SY? I agree with (name withheld) that other people are not afraid to tell of their faiths and explain to people why their faith is the way. Why are we so fearful of ridicule? People ridiculed Jesus but he stood firm on the truth, knowing that what he was saying was absolute; in the same way all fears should be given up because what we are doing and what has been asked of us is absolute asked of us by the absolute.
The speeches we watch and the knowledge given is not only for us to enjoy and benefit from, but for everyone to know of and benefit from. Why can we openly declare and worship her as the Adi Shakti in private but then keep quite about the greatest opportunity for mankind and what many are watching the skies for signs and searching for in public, especially since those are the very people who are looking for God and who we have been chosen to help save? How can we save people using dishonesty or hidden agendas, when the mode of saving people is the truth? If we are scared, like (name withheld) said, just let Mother do it all. We have to be up-front with the truth, however powerful and fearful it may be for some, including ourselves, and surrender the rest to mother, including the words. She will help us, guide us and take care of everything as She wills it, not how we think it should be taken care of. If people run, they run, if they stay they stay; at least they are running or staying based on knowing the truth, and whatever people choose and what they decided to do and go through is all up to Mother. We are the instruments (however badly blocked they are in my case) and all we have to do is tell the truth and allow Mother to play the music that will draw and sooth the listeners, comforting them and introducing them to Her. We do nothing anyways, so why are we worried about doing nothing? We simply do nothing and let Mother take care of everything.
My point is we need to tell who Shri Mataji is up front and that this is the last resurrection and judgement as prophesied in the bible etc, as well as explaining the subtle system and how it works etc. as is being already done, all the time, in public and at meetings or one on one situations, which we should all strive to put ourselves in more (grass roots! as I was talking about in the other letter) and let mother work out the rest. At least we will be doing what she asked us instead of dodging it, and we will know no matter what happens, we are standing on the truth and doing as she asked us, so we will be looked after. To me, I would rather be standing before"MOTHER"At the end of this life knowing I helped Her do what She came her for and She asked of me, in total truth and with all my effort, than be asked by Her"Why did you waste so much time, enjoying the pure knowledge for yourself only, instead of surrendering fear to me and doing as I asked?"
That's all I have to say on that. Either way, whatever is decided to be done officially is fine. I will without a doubt, 100% of the time (and hopefully you all will be with me in this despite what other older, more established yogis may think) telling people up front the truth about SY and let them decide what they will do about it, and let Mother work it all out.
With love as always; take care
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