The truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about Shakti
From: "jagbir singh" Related Articles:
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:04:33 -0000
Subject: The truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about Shakti
Dear all,
It is common knowledge that a number of subtle system SYs and WCASY
council members hold PhDs in Chakralogy, a proud tradition that is
openly advertised and acknowledged by the rank and file. But i have
found out that they are really shallow in their knowledge and even
less in faith about the Shakti within. Yes, they will give you reams
of facts about chakras, catches and cures. They will also talk
endlessly about kundalini and its miraculous powers. But ask them
about the Lalita Sahasranama or the Shakti within and they have
nothing much to say. All their attention is on Shri Mataji Nirmala
Devi. As far as they are concerned everything is done by Her.
i know for a fact that Shri Mataji does nothing, which She has
admitted many times, and will continue to do nothing. i know it is
the Shakti (Spirit) within that does everything, from awakening your
kundalini and giving self-realization to protecting Her devotees.
That is why i keep telling that we must learn to meditate on the
Shakti in our Sahasraras, without any image or rituals whatsoever.
Just because management and mainstream SYs do not talk about the
Shakti in the Sahasrara it does not mean we should continue on the
external worship. In the end they too will realize that it is the
Shakti within they will have to worship and meditate on. How long
can they condition all to keep their attention on Shri Mataji
Nirmala Devi who is but the mere physical incarnation of the DEVI, a
form necessary to deliver the Divine Message? Why is no subtle
system SY, leader or WCASY talking about the Shakti within even as
they continue to advertise about chakras and self-realization? When
last in our living memory did we hear anything about the Shakti in
our Sahasrara?
i have copied an excellent post regarding the Shakti within in
relation to the Lalita Sahasranama. Perhaps it will give subtle
system SYs and WCASY a clue of what happens when truth is organized,
teachings corrupted, faith weakened and individual effort denounced.
It will also cast doubts as to the authenticity and quality of their
PhDs. Maybe we will also be able to get a clue as to why our public
programs are regarded as mediocre. (Why should
anyone attend free programs held in borrowed premises when it is so easy and preferable to pay
excellent teachers for the same service; teachers with recognized credentials, modern studious and
glossy brochures that exudes academic quality and confidence?
i believe that 1000s of SYs over decades have not been able to
produce a standard public program booklet that is anywhere near the
quality of the ordinary post below. Anyway, it is just about the truth
that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about the Shakti.
And we all keep wondering why Sahaja Yoga is not spreading.
Jai Shri Mataji,
jagbir
From: "Devi Bhakta"
Date: Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:24 pm
Subject: Introduction to Namas 475-534 (LalithA SahasranAma Series)
I mentioned in a post the other day (in relation to Mary Ann's
comment that some of the Namas—sumukhi," having a beautiful
face," being the catalyst offender, I believe—struck her as
sexist male fantasies, rather than serious names of worship) that
this is rather emphatically not the case in Shaktism in general or
the LS in particular.
As much wiser members than I have noted many times (whether
noticed or not), these Namas are basically never taken merely at
surface value, nor are their particular sequences and groupings to
be considered at all arbitrary. For example, the first set of names
in the LS recap in compressed, coded form the central scripture
known as Lalitopakhyana—one of the primary scriptural sources of
Lalita lore in Srividya Upansana.
While it may be impossible to entirely bridge those gaps of
understanding that will inevitably arise when attempting to span
cultures and millennia, I hope that perhaps, by elucidating some of
these groupings as they arise, we can show our members exactly how
and why the Lalita Saharanama is systematically unfolding as it does.
Nora has now posted up to name 474; so before she posts further, I
would note (for anyone who may not know, and may happen to be
interested) that we are about to enter another distinct"set"of
Namas—475 through 534. These Namas will collectively elaborate
Devi's seven forms in the Chakras (from Muladhara through Sahasrara).
According to the Yogini Nyasa, Sri Lalita has a distinct form and
name in each Chakra—each form having Her own distinct appearance,
weapons, attendants, favorite delicacies, and of course Her specific
place in the various dhAtUs of the body.
Devi, through these forms," devolves"from the subtlest (most
transcendent) state of Union with Siva, to the grossest (most
material) Prithvi state as She descends from Sahasrara to Muladhara
in the body.
Advanced sadhaks can, with Her grace, experience Her various forms
in these chakras as a result of antaryAga (internal, mental
worship). For those of you following along at home, the name sets
are:
Namas 475-484: VISUDDI CHAKRA
Namas 485-494: ANAHATA CHAKRA
Namas 495-503: MANIPURA CHAKRA
Namas 504-513: SVADHISTHANA CHAKRA
Namas 514-520: MULADHARA CHAKRA
Namas 521-527: AJNA CHAKRA
Namas 528-534: SAHASRARA
These names describe in detail the even tissues, seven chakras,
their presiding Deities, their NaivedyAs, their Yoginis or
attendants, and the Nama aspect of Reality expressed as letters of
the alphabet (or Matrika) from A to Ksa. They also represent the
seven planes of consciousness or lokas, as well as the various
stages of the embryo in the womb of its mother.
For illustrations, scriptural translation and interpretation, visit
our homepage at:
http://www.shaktisadhana.org/Photo%20Gallery/cakrasmain.html
I hope all of this will help some of you appreciate the depth and
meaning of the upcoming Namas as we approach the halfway point in
Nora's excellent ongoing series.
aim mAtangyai namaH
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shakti_Sadhana/message/18615
From: "semirafields"
Date: Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:11 am
Subject: Re: The truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about Shakti
Dear Jagbir,
What you describe below is the common problem that has happened in
all religions. It is so easy to get stuck and caught up in things
along the path; so that people forget that the path is not the end
in itself. To start our spiritual journey we need the path, and we
have different individual needs of guidance, structure and rituals.
However, it is easy to lose sight that the path itself is not the
ultimate aim. The ultimate aim is to proceed beyond the path, and to
experience the beauty and liberation of this.
Love, Semira
From: "jagbir singh"
Subject: Re: The truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about Shakti adishakti_org
—- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, Sambhav
> Dear Jagbir
>
> You have good ideas....all that u mentioned here is correct...but
> the best way is to stop criticising other sy's...and be what u r..
>
>
Dear Sambhav,
i am not criticizing just because it is my nature or i enjoy doing
so or i have nothing better to do or any other reason one can think
of except:
"I think Spencer Corliss and others should realize that certain
topics are discussed with more intensity and frequency to make
others better understand the issues that are at stake. Another
reason they are repeatedly discussed in detail is to pick the best
and archive them for the future. This will allow the seekers of
tomorrow to understand what actually took place while the Adi Shakti
was still on Earth, and how Her Advent and Message was undermined.”
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adishakti_sahaja_yoga/message/4548
i mentioned the above just three days ago. You should realize that
the topic about subtle system SYs and WCASY not mentioning the
Shakti within is probably discussed in detail for the first time and
does not fall under the"repeatedly discussed in detail"category.
In the post i pointed out that even those engaged in the subtle
system do not have the faith to mention the Shakti within or
associate the DEVI with the Lalita Sahasranama. Sahaja Yoga is
indeed reduced to a guru teaching about chakras and kundalini with
the false claim that Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, not the Shakti (Holy
Spirit/Ruh) within, activates The Mother Kundalini. i believe this
is a very important clarification that all SYs should understand and
teach other. If they do not, which is more likely than not because
of the false knowledge and conditionings imposed by their peers, at
least we can prevent others from falling into error and save them a
lot of time and energy that can be better spent advancing
spiritually. This is not criticism.
And the only way to accomplish the above is to talk openly about
mistakes and false knowledge, and archive the correct knowledge for
the future. It will make our task so much easier if we can just
retrieve related articles and quote them ............. as i have
quoted for you in response to your criticism. We are learning to do
things that management SYs should have done years ago. A lot of
ground has been covered but there are still important isolated
pockets here and there that will be dealt as and when they are found
.............. provided there is evidence to back the findings!
regards,
jagbir
From: "michalis_9"
Date: Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:58 am
Subject: Re: The truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about Shakti
Dear Jagbir,
I agree with you that it is the Spirit within that matters but you
exaggerate about Mother. She is nothing close to"mere.” Can I ask
you when She said She is not doing anything? I know She's said that
She works even during Her sleep. That She absorbs all our
negativity, and Her attention is on us when we do puja. As far as
I'm concerned we are lucky to have Her with us and claiming She is a
mere incarnation does Her disservice. Moreover I've read talks where
she wants us to use Her photo, even wear badges... What are you talking about.
Please state whether you go along with Shri Mataji's teachings or
you differentiate when you think it is proper.
Regards, Michalis
From: "jagbir singh"
Date: Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:42 am
Subject: Re: The truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about Shakti
—- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com," michalis_9"
> Dear Jagbir,
>
> I agree with you that it is the Spirit within that matters but you
> exaggerate about Mother. She is nothing close to"mere.” Can I ask
> you when She said She is not doing anything? I know She's said
> that She works even during Her sleep. That She absorbs all our
> negativity, and Her attention is on us when we do puja. As far as
> I'm concerned we are lucky to have Her with us and claiming She is
> a mere incarnation does Her disservice. Moreover I've read talks
> where she wants us to use Her photo, even wear badges... What
> are you talking about.
>
> Please state whether you go along with Shri Mataji's teachings or
> you differentiate when you think it is proper.
>
> Regards, Michalis
>
Michalis, did it ever occur to you that She is referring to the Shakti within,
of whom She is an incarnation? If you understand how the Shakti
operates you will regard Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi as Her mere
incarnation and not the One who"Works even during Her sleep. That
She absorbs all our negativity, and Her attention is on us when we
do puja.” That is what the previous posts were trying to tell you, a
very important essence and aspect of the Shakti you have missed or
failed to properly grasp despite my better attempt:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adishakti_sahaja_yoga/message/4562
Shri Mataji"Wants us to use Her photo, even wear badges"so that
others will ask and know about Her. Let's not try to make it into
something spectacular that some SYs may have impressed upon you.
If you do not understand Her Mahamaya role (Illusion) it will take
you a long time to meditate on"The Spirit within that matters.” Do
you meditate on Her temporary, physical external image or on Her
internal, eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and
omnibenevolent Reality? The DEVI can never ever be reduced to an
incarnation because countless incarnations have issued forth from
Her since time immemorial.
Even DEVI enlightened in the Sahasrara that She and Her incarnation
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi are two different personalities. This
occurred when Her physical limitations became obvious to me during
the early days ........... and i was racked by doubts and delusion
for weeks. In the end She told my son to tell your father that She
and Shri Mataji are two different persons ............. even when
i did not ask so and my doubts were mere thoughts. Below are my
original notes regarding that incident:
"On September 14, 1994, Kash came back from meditation and told his
father that Shri Mataji had told him that the Shri Mataji on Earth
and the Shri Mataji in the Sahasrara were two different persons.
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi on Mother Earth represents the single drop
of the Divine Ocean. SHE had to manifest HER Infinite Form as an
earthly creature so that humankind could know HER with all their
senses. SHE had to manifest as a human being and, even then, had to
be covered and camouflaged by layers of illusions. SHE had to be the
physical guru representing the inner Divine Guru. SHE had to.
The father was silenced into surrender — the SPIRIT of the Living
God had again answered a question that was not even asked! The
SPIRIT of the Living God in his Sahasrara knew that he had nagging
doubts. The SPIRIT of the Living God in Kash's Sahasrara also
know that he had nagging doubts. The SPIRIT of the Living God in the
Pope's Sahasrara, the Ayatollah's Sahasrara, the Dalai
Lama's Sahasrara also knew that he had nagging doubts. The SPIRIT
of the Living God in every Tom, Dick and Harry's Sahasrara also
knew that he had doubts. The Universal Mind is linked to all human
minds — This Revealed Truth is Absolute.”
Michalis, you asked me whether i"go along with Shri Mataji's
teachings or you differentiate when you think it is proper.”i go
along with Shri Mataji's teachings and enlighten when i think it is
proper. It will take you weeks/months to grasp what i just told you.
If you do not believe then it will take you years to understand Her
internal, eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and
omnibenevolent Reality.
However it is only today that i realize why"She told my son to tell
your father that She and Shri Mataji are two different persons.”
After that i should not have spent so many years meditating on Her
external image. But despite all She revealed in the Sahasrara i
still did until recently. Michalis, have you any idea what false
knowledge and collective conditioning does to those joining Sahaja
Yoga? i too was afraid that i would"differentiate when you think it
is proper"And ignorant management SYs would pass judgment and 'burn
me at the stake'. But only some time back that i truly began
following Her advise to be your own master. After all i have learnt
far more from within the Sahasrara than i ever could from all the
collective knowledge of management SYs and WCASY combined. What
really helped trigger all this into a resolute stand was irrefutable
evidence obtained recently that WCASY has absolutely deleted the
Divine Message from their agenda ........ er, i mean Will. Now i
will never return to be subject again to their dishonest, ignorant
and conditioning nature.
regards,
jagbir
From: "semirafields"
Date: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:31 pm
Subject: Re: The truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about Shakti
Dear Michalis,
I think that Jagbir has explained the Truth of the Spirit within
beautifully in his reply to your questions below.
As the Incarnation of the Holy Spirit Shri Mataji has opened the
Sahasrara on a collective level, enabling a mass awakening of the
Holy Spirit within. Being a physical Incarnation means being
restricted by material matter, and material laws. However, the Power
of God is completely unrestricted by and beyond all these laws. The
Power of God is eternal, and not restricted to what is material.
Shri Mataji has come to reveal to us this awareness; the awareness
of the Power of God within each of us. It is not found in rituals,
in worshipping external images or in performing penances.
Just as Jesus resides in the Agnya, and is the Doorway, and brought
the principles of forgiveness and love for everyone; so Shri Mataji
resides in the Sahasrara. The eternal power of God resides within
each of us, and manifests itself as the cool breeze. This is the
Eternal Shri Mataji, the Shakti. It is human conditioning only that
we feel the need to worship the external forms. Now is the time that
we will move beyond these conditionings, and free ourselves from all
these things.
Each person has to realise this from within themselves.
Love, Semira
From: "jagbir singh"
Date: Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:58 am
Subject: Re: The truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot about Shakti
—- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com," jagbir singh"
>
> i know for a fact that Shri Mataji does nothing, which She has
> admitted many times, and will continue to do nothing. i know it is
> the Shakti (Spirit) within that does everything, from awakening
> your kundalni and giving self-realization to protecting Her
> devotees.
>
i have more than enough evidence of the above statement. One of the
most revealing was when the Shakti twice prevented my friend
Kanggaima from committing suicide.
https://adishakti.org/witnessing_her_miracles.htm
After these miracles happened there was no word from Shri Mataji
Nirmala Devi at Cabella, Italy. For all i know She was completely
unaware that Kanggaima had been stopped twice from taking her own
life. i realized that it was the eternal Shakti within and not Her
physical incarnation that had performed the miracles.
i did tell some SYs in Montreal but am not sure they believed what i
was telling them. Before that i rang up the leader in Toronto and
told him to visit Kanggaima as she could still be suicidal. This guy
refused as he was afraid of catches! Yes, he refused to see Kanggaima
as he did not want to get catches from her. (This pervasive and
collective fear of catches have even turned some of our so-called
leaders into chickens, cowards who are more afraid of getting petty
catches than saving suicidical humans. And some SYs wonder why i am
so much against the ceaseless collective chatter of catches and cures.)
So this evidence that Shri Mataji saved Kanggaima was never brought
up by management SYs. As far as they were concerned if Shri Mataji
did save her then She would definitely mention it on Her won. But since
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi never did the whole matter was suppressed.
Till today this recorded miraculous incident is not mentioned by
management SYs. After all, it fits their organized truth that Shri
Mataji is a great subtle system guru who can raise the kundalini en
masse. Miracles are for those who want to publicly proclaim that She
is the Adi Shakti. i understand it will damage the subtle system
reputation they have so carefully cultivated with nurturing care,
nourishing desire and loving attention over the years.
So who saved Kanggaima? It was none other than the Shakti within.
Perhaps if someone had mentioned that to Shri Mataji She would have
been able to find out that the Shakti within, not Her physical
incarnation, did save a devotee bent on killing herself. Given all
the facts it is indeed true that Shri Mataji does not do anything as
She has admitted time and again. The DEVI within does all, from
raising the kundalini to protecting Her devotees to witnessing
everything - the internal, eternal, omnipotent, omniscient,
omnipresent and omnibenevolent Reality. Her incarnation Shri Mataji
Nirmala Devi took birth on Earth to deliver the Divine Message and
teach humans how to take part in the Last Judgment and Resurrection.
Other than that She does not do anything. Everything else is done by
the Shakti within.
Jai Shri Mataji,
jagbir
Why are there 1001 cleansing rituals when Shri Mataji said ...
Shri Mataji phrased it so precisely: "You just record the effect"
Gregoire, your letter speaks volumes about WCASY and Sahaja Yoga
A most shocking satanic silence keeps humanity in darkness
Because She is incapacitated SYs do not think they can proclaim Her
Devotees steal Sri Lalita title under noses of subtle system SYs
Has Shri Mataji's original Vision, Mission and Message been hijacked?
How can we throw off the dominion of priestly dark power?
How many leaders are asking us SYs to uphold Her Divine Message?
How on earth can genuine-like SY fare so badly?
How long will this chakra charade continue?
"I call it the Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion"
If SYs do not articulate deep truth that the real master lies within
It takes 21 SYs to lie about Divine Message to humanity.
Maybe SYs will stop turning Sahaja Yoga into a religion of lemons
Number of 'divine mothers' keep on rising.
SYs must face the issues presented by those who challenge them
SY leaders who are even afraid to talk about the Resurrection
SYs who are able to roar like lions and squeak like mice too
SYs, will human fiction or revealed divine truth emancipate?
To those management SYs who want to organize/suppress the Truth
Truth that subtle system SYs and WCASY conveniently forgot
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