Visualization - Try continuing and see where you will end up.

From:  "jagbir singh" <>
Date:  Mon Aug 16, 2004  12:15 pm
Subject:  Visualization - Try continuing and see where you will end up.
—- In, alex arthur <dude11976@y...>
> > Alex, there is a huge difference between having a
> > vision, say of your best friend who migrated overseas, and
> > actually talking to him over a mango shake at your favorite
> > Bombay Palace after his return years later. Having a vision is
> > one of the easiest to achieve because your mind can be induced
> > to image him after some practice. Try to do this and you will
> > understand what i mean. BTW, have you not had unpleasant
> > thoughts and visions while meditating? Try continuing and see
> > where you will end up.
> Dear Jagbir,
> Would be grateful if you could please elaborate on the
> last line. This is a topic I was looking forward to
> discuss with you and you brought it up quite by
> coincidence. I don't mean the part about the meetings
> with the adishakti, which i say again that i am
> neutral to. I only said that whatever it is, if i am
> meant to find out by personal experience, then I will.
> I was actually referring to the atry continuing and
> see where you end up'
> From what i have read over the years, visualization is
> a goal setting process, it help you set a concrete
> target and channelises diving energies towards your
> goal. But what specifically did you mean by 'ending
> up'

Exactly! Visualization is a goal-setting process increasingly used
to achieve set targets, whether making the required sales to win an
all-expense paid trip for two to Club Med Tahiti, passing the final
UK bar exams, or making the critical final burst of speed in the
5,000 meters at Athens that just barely clinches the gold. It helps
you set a concrete target and channelises diving energies towards
your goal. But it is all make believe and chances are that you may

However, this is a positive way to picture and achieve goals that
though not existing, can be achieved in the future. You see yourself
succeed in making the required sales by selling to total strangers
and senile elders you have not even met. Then isn't it great to
picture yourself in a Lexus GX 470 SUV because you won a class
action suit that allowed you to pocket an obscene 40% cut of a $1.2
million-dollar settlement. How about winning the Olympic gold and
the subsequent drug test, and looking forward to signing a lucrative
Nike deal ............. knowing full well that the latest technology
still cannot detect the performance-enhancing steroids you have been
taking? It is still make believe but fringing on fantasy.

But what if you use visualization to meeting Jesus in heaven or,
depending on inclination, Satan in hell. Imagine Jesus telling you
that you are a prophet destined to wear the Kalki Krown. Or Satan
hugging and revealing that you are his chosen one to lead the
Antichrist charge. This is fantasy bordering on madness.

What if visualization convinces that you are indeed Shri Rama or the
God that hears? This is visualization leading to madness, a
frightening figment of one's megalomaniac imagination.

You will end up what you desire most intensely - winning a trip to
Tahiti or becoming the God that others must hear. It is all about a
imaginary future that does not exist. However, i am not telling you
that your visualization to be sunbathing on a Tahiti beach won't come
true. Just don't tell me that you have become God.


From:  "jagbir singh" <>
Date:  Sat Jan 15, 2005  12:39 pm
Subject:  Re: Visualization - Try continuing and see where you will end up.

Kenneth Hagin - False Prophet by Rev. Robert S. Liichow, 1998
"Mr. Hagin has long been touted as a prophet by many within the
charismatic movement for years. Without a doubt, all people within
the Word of Faith Movement look to Mr. Hagin as a genuine prophet of
God. The facts seem to indicate otherwise! Here are three examples
of Hagin's prophetic ability - all of which failed to come to pass."

The Counterfeit Dreams and Visions
of "Prophet" Kenneth Hagin

Kenneth E. Hagin is the acknowledged "father" of the modern Word of
Faith Movement and is viewed by charismatic Christians globally as a
true prophet of the Lord Jesus Christ. Kenneth Hagin has been active
in ministry since the late 1930's and worked around the fringes of
the Pentecostal healing revival of the 1940's through late 1950's.

Kenneth Hagin started out in the ministry holding evangelical
meetings as a Baptist (1934-1937) and then was licensed by the
Assemblies of God in 1937 and began to Pastor from 1937-1949).
Beginning in 1949 brother Hagin was an itinerant evangelist and
Bible teacher.

"As a result of his final vision in 1963, he set up his own office
at his home in Garland, Texas, for the distribution of his tapes and
books.... Hagin founded Rhema Bible Training Center in 1974. By 1988
more than 10,000 students had graduated, and his daily radio
program, "Faith Seminar of the Air," was being broadcast on more
than 180 stations in thirty-nine states, with a short-wave audience
in about eighty other nations. By this time more than three million
of his eighty-five books and almost half a million cassette tapes of
his sermons have been distributed annually.

Kenneth Hagin is a man with no formal seminary training or college
education, yet his school is viewed as the premier Bible training
school among charismatic believers. Rev. Hagin's teachings are
accepted without question by the rank and file charismatic and many
of the most popular charismatic ministers acknowledge Hagin as their
spiritual father. Some of those who publicly acknowledge their debt
to "Dad" Hagin include Fred Price, Kenneth and Gloria Copeland,
Norval Hayes, Buddy Harrison, and Keith Butler, to name only a few.

One of the reasons Kenneth Hagin and his message has been so widely
accepted is because of the claims he himself makes as to the origin
of his teachings. His ministry since 1950 has been based upon
several alleged visionary encounters with Jesus Christ.

"As a prophet, Hagin communicates revelation that is received by way
of divine voice, vision, or visitation. As a teacher, he exposits
the Scripture in a plain and often humorous fashion. When both
office are combined, the result is a ministry that appears utterly
supernatural, and yet thoroughly biblical."

Brother Hagin's ministry consists of two basic ingredients: (1)
The teachings of E.W. Kenyon, whose work he intentionally or
unintentionally plagiarized. (2) The revelations he supposedly
received via direct communication through visions with the Lord
Jesus Christ. For the purpose of this writing I will confine myself
to considering the visions of Rev. Hagin and their content.

Rev. Hagin is among the most mystical preachers of international
status alive today. His life as a visionary began at age 15. On
April 22, 1933 at 7:40 PM Rev. Hagin died and descended to hell:

"Then the inner man rushed out of my body and left my body lying
dead, with the eyes set and the flesh cold...I have proof that I
was actually dead. My eyes were set, my heart stopped beating, and
my pulse had ceased...Finally, far below me, I could see lights
flickering on the walls of the caverns of the damned. The lights
were caused by the fires of hell...Upon reaching the bottom of the
pit, I became conscious of some kind of spirit being by my
side...a voice spoke from far above the blackness, above the
earth, and above the heavens. I don't know if it was the voice of
God, Jesus, or an angel, or who...I slipped back into my body as
easily as a man slips into his trousers in the morning - through my

According to Hagin he died and was taken down to the very gates of
hell by some creature. Upon reaching the gates of hell a loud speaks
from far above in an unknown tongue and Hagin is released by the
creature and he floats back up and into his body via his mouth!

If words mean anything what we have is a person who died and was the
resurrected from the dead. He stated he was dead (page 5) and then
was supernaturally brought back from hell into his body (page 6).

"My heart stopped beating for the second time...I felt the blood
cease to circulate. The tips of my toes went numb - then my feet,
ankles, knees, hips, stomach, and heart. I leaped out of my body and
began to descend: down, down down...The voice spoke from heaven
and again my spirit came up out of that place - back to my room and
back into my body. The only difference this time was that I came up
at the foot of the bed."

For the second time Rev. Hagin "dies" and leaves his body. Again, he
descends into the pit, and again some voice speaks from above and
Hagin is "resurrected" and re-enters his body via the foot of his

Hagin upon coming back to his body this time leaves parting words
for his sister and two brothers. Why parting words? Because Hagin is
about to die for a third time and descend into hell.

" heart stopped for the third time. I could feel the
circulation as it cut off again - and I leaped out of my body and
began to descend...Thank God that voice spoke. I don't know who
it was - I didn't see anybody - I just hear the voice. . .I began
to pray, "O God! I come to you in the Name of Lord Jesus Christ. I
ask You to forgive me of my sins and to cleanse me from all
sin...That was the very hour I was born again due to the mercy of
God through the prayers of my mother."

This time on his way down Hagin begins to cry out to God that he is
a church member, that he has been baptized in water... all to no
avail. Yet God spoke again and Hagin begins to rise from the gates
of hell. This time Hagin repents of his sins and calls on the name
of Jesus and he is saved!

I am very glad that brother Hagin was saved but I have a problem
when a person says that they were saved after they had died
physically. Based on what he has stated we are to believe that he
(1) died, (2) went down to hell, (3) and was born again while out of
his body.

I realize that Hagin has probably not thought through some of the
implications, but I have considered some of them. If what Hagin is
saying is in fact true, the theological implications are staggering!
This means a lost person can die, and on their way to hell repent of
their sins and be born again. In fact, in Hagin's case he died
three times! What is important to keep in mind is that Hagin does
not say that he thought he died, or that he simply left his body.
No, he emphatically states that he died. "My experience of being
brought back from the dead is not new. Jesus raised three people
from the dead." He equates his experiences on par with those of whom
Jesus raised from the dead in the Bible.

If Hagin's testimony is true then the Scriptures pertaining to
the condition of lost people are wrong! How so? To begin with you
have a lost man is dead in sin (Eph. 2:5) and without hope (Eph
2:12). In fact, the lost man does not love God nor does he seek
after Him (Rom 3:10). Jesus said that He chose us, we did not chose
Him (Jh 15:16).

What we see in Hagin's experience is the exact opposite to what
the Scripture plainly teach. We have a lost man, thus a spiritually
dead man, crying out to a God he does not know or love to save him.
We have a lost man choosing Christ, a man who hates the light (Jh
1:5) and does not understand the things of the spirit (2 Cor. 2:14).
We have a man whose mind and will are at enmity with God (Rom 8:7)
and cannot please God ... doing that which please God, he calls
upon Him!

In this testimony brother Hagin relates a couple key ingredients of
standard Word of Faith (WOF) doctrine. First, to adherents of WOF
teachings, it is no problem to believe that a person can die and be
born-again in hell (or in Hagin's case on the way down to hell).
After all, Jesus was born-again man in the pit of hell. Hagin and
all the clones after him agree with Kenyon's theology:

"You can now understand that He uttered the sentence, "It is
finished." You can now understand that He did not mean that He had
finished His Substitutionary work, but that He had finished the work
the Father gave Him to do first...If Jesus paid the penalty of Sin
on the cross, then Sin is but a physical act. If His death paid it,
then every man could die for himself. Sin is in the spirit realm.
His physical death was but a mean to an end...When Jesus died, His
spirit was taken by the Adversary and carried to the place where the
sinner's spirit goes when he dies...He is the first born out of
spiritual death, the first person who was ever born again...His
spirit absolutely became impregnated with the sin nature of the
world...He was made to be sin."

So it is no stretch for them to accept that Hagin, like Jesus died a
sinner, and was raised from the dead a righteous born-again man.

The second WOF concept is seen when Hagin states "I looked at the
clock and saw it was 20 minutes before 8 o'clock. That was the
very hour I was born again due to the mercy of God through the
prayers of my mother.
" (underlining bold type added)

I was taught (and taught) that God cannot do anything in the earth
unless His people pray. So yes God was merciful, but that mercy was
able to be released on Kenneth Hagin's behalf because his mother
prayed. If she had not prayed God would not have been able to show
His mercy to Hagin. God's ability is released through our
prayers, this is standard WOF teaching regarding prayer and the
authority we have as humans and as believers.

Certainly God answers prayer, He uses prayer as a means to His ends,
yet God is not bound or loosed by our prayers. He is totally
sovereign (Is 45:22) and He moves according to His free will and He
is in no way dependent upon us for anything. He is the Creator and
we are the creation, this fact is sorely misunderstood by most

On September 1950 in Rockwall Texas Hagin is holding a tent revival.
He and the participants were praying around the platform.

"I began to pray in other tongues, and I heard a voice say, "Come up
hither" ...I thought everybody heard it. "Come up hither," the
voice said again. Then I looked and saw Jesus standing about where
the top of the tent would be. As I looked again, the tent had
disappeared ...God had permitted me to see into the spirit realm.
Jesus was standing there, and I stood in His presence. He was
holding a crown in His hands...It seemed as if I went with Him
through the air until we came to a beautiful city. . .The Jesus
turned to me and said, "Now let us go down to hell." Jesus told
me, "warn men and women about this place,"...He then brought me
back to earth. I became aware I was knelling on the platform...As
he stood there, He talked to me about my ministry. He told me some
things in general that He later explained in more detail in another

"Jesus" appears to Kenneth for several reasons. First He shows him
the soul winners crown. "Jesus" tells him it is for all His
children, but many are too busy and because of this "souls are lost
because they will not obey Me." So again, we encounter salvation
depending upon man and not God. First we saw God's mercy released
via his mother's prayers. Now we are told by "Jesus" not less,
that souls are lost because His people do not obey Him and witness
to them! Without going any further I can assure the reader fully
that the being portraying himself as Jesus Christ, was not the
Biblical Jesus. If this was the real Jesus, then He has changed His
theology since the Holy Spirit had the Apostle John pen the
following text:

John 6:37-40 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him
that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down
from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent
me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all
which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up
again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me,
that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have
everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

6:37. Jesus then gave the ultimate explanation of their lack of
faith: the Father works sovereignly in peoples lives. There is an
election of God which is the Fathers gift to the Son. The Son has no
concern that His work will be ineffective, for the Father will
enable people to come to Jesus. Jesus has confidence. But people may
have confidence also. (Cf. the crippled mans response to Jesus
question, Do you want to get well? [5:6-9]) One who comes to Jesus
for salvation will by no means be driven away (cf.{cf. confer,
compare} 6:39). 6:38-39. Jesus then repeated His claim about His
heavenly origin. The reason He came down from heaven was to do the
will of the Father who sent Him. The Fathers will is that those whom
He gives to the Son will not suffer a single loss and all will be
raised to life in the resurrection (cf. vv. 40, 44, 54). This
passage is strong in affirming the eternal security of the believer.
6:40. This verse repeats and reinforces the ideas of the previous
verses. One who looks and believes on Jesus for salvation has his
destiny secure. The divine decree has insured it (cf. Rom. 8:28-30).
He has eternal life (John 6:47, 50-51, 54, 58) and will be raised at
the last day (cf. vv. 39, 44, 54).

Jesus plainly taught that He would not lose one person whom the
Father had given Him! So for "Jesus" to come to Hagin in 1950 and
tell him that people are in hell because of their disobedience would
be a direct contradiction of His own teaching. Salvation is not left
up to men, but is the work of God. After this startling revelation
"Jesus" takes Hagin up to see a beautiful city. They do not enter the city, just take a look. Then the being turns to Hagin and says "let us
go down to hell." Hagin sees people engulfed in flames and is told to warn people about this place. Then Hagin is brought back to his
revival meeting and Jesus hangs around revealing to him future aspects of his ministry. Then "Jesus" disappears. Up to this point brother Hagin wants us to believe the following:

* He leaves his body and meets Jesus in person above his revival tent
* Jesus shows him the soul winners crown and instructs him about our
  obligation to save the lost
* Jesus takes Hagin to some celestial city
* Jesus takes Hagin to hell
* Jesus takes Hagin back into his body
* Jesus reveals to Hagin further gnosis about his future ministry

However, Hagin goes on the tell us that the revelations did not stop

"About that time the Holy Spirit came upon me again. It seemed as if
a wind were blowing on me, and I fell flat on my face on the
platform. As I lay under the power of God, it seemed as if I were
standing high on a plain somewhere in space and I could see for
miles and miles around me...I felt so lonely. I was not conscious
of my earthly surroundings. As I looked to the west, I saw what
appeared to be a tiny dot on the horizon...Soon I could see it was
a horse...When the horseman came to me, he pulled on the reins and
stopped...He passed the scroll from his left hand to his right
hand and handed it to me. As I unrolled the scroll, which was a roll
of paper 12 or 14 inches long, he said, "Take and read." At the top
of the page in big bold, black print were the words "WAR AND
DESTRUCTION." I was struck dumb. He laid his right hand on my head
and said, "Read, in the Name of Jesus Christ." I began to read what
was written on the paper, and as the words instructed me, I looked
and saw what I had just read about."

Next we are told that the Holy Spirit transports Hagin to some
cosmic plain where he is alone and he sees a rider approaching from
the west. The rider comes up to him and gives him a scroll which he
is commanded to read. Hagin is struck dumb and needs this
supernatural rider to lay hands on him and commands him to read in
the Name of Jesus Christ, the revelations on the scroll. As he read
the scroll he was able to see what he read coming to pass before his

"The scroll was written in the first person, and seemed as if Jesus
Himself were speaking. I read, "America is receiving her last call.
Some nations already have received their last call and never will
HAND"...Jesus also said this was the last great revival. He went
on the say, "All the gifts of the Spirit will be in operation in the
Church in these last days, and the Church will do greater things
than even the Early Church did. It will have greater power, signs,
and wonders than were recorded in the Acts of the Apostles... More
and more miracles will be performed in the last days which are just
ahead, for it is time for the gift of working of miracles to be more
in prominence...Many of my own people will not accept the moving
of my Spirit, and will turn back and will not be ready to meet Me at
my coming. Many will be deceived by false prophets and miracles of
satanic origin. But follow the Word of God, the Spirit of God, and
Me, and you will not be deceived.
I am gathering my own together and am preparing them, for the time is short. " bold type added)

What is interesting to me about the message the scroll contained is
that it is in complete agreement with the current doctrinal error
that was sweeping Pentecostalism at that time. Percy Hunt and
George Warnock had been teaching what came to be called Latter
Rain Doctrines since 1947 (actually the doctrinal roots go back as far
as 1910). Hagin's scroll parrots these teachings to the letter. Latter Rain proponents emphasized the outpouring of the supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit on the remnant of God. These gifts would be manifest to a degree that would exceed those of the original Apostles. They also stressed that the last great revival was on (keep in mind 1950 was just about the middle of the healing revival) and that America was heading towards judgment. "Warn this generation, as
did Noah his generation, for judgment is about to fall. And these sayings shall be fulfilled shortly, for I am coming soon." Jesus repeated, "This is the last great revival."

Those Christians who question, and do not accept the coming signs,
wonders, and miracles apparently will not be ready to meet Jesus at
His return. So according to Hagin's scroll the criteria for
Christian readiness is to embrace "the moving of my Spirit." The
Bible does not teach this at all!

1 John 3:2-3
Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet
what we shall be. We know that, when He appears, we shall be like
Him, because we shall see Him just as He is. 3 And everyone who has
this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

What prepares the believer to meet Christ is the unshifting hope we
have in Him, not the embrace of present day truth or the current
move of the Spirit.

It is also interesting that the scroll warns of false prophets and
miracles of satanic origin. Most of the visions I have studied
usually add this caveat in them, to watch out for demonic
counterfeits. What amazes me is that none of those who relate their
dreams and visions ever take time to consider whether or not they
themselves have been blinded by an angel of light (2 Cor 11:13). Yet
when you take an objective Biblical look at the content of the
dreams and visions and see what is alleged to have been said by
Jesus, an Angel, etc. you will find that the statements are either
contra-biblical or extra-biblical.

Hagin goes on to say that people present in the tent meeting said he
read from the scroll aloud for 30 minutes. When he finished reading
it, he gave it back to the rider, who galloped off back to wherever
he had come from. Hagin says he was then conscious of the fact that
he was still flat on his face on the floor (I wonder how people
could hear him read for 30 minutes in that position?). Now we can
add to our list these aspects of his experience:

* Hagin is knocked on his face by the Holy Spirit
* He is taken out of his body (again)
* Hagin is transported to a flat, barren plain, devoid of all life
* Hagin sees a rider approach
* The rider gives Hagin a scroll and tells him to read
* Hagin reads and sees the events of the scroll, people present hear
  him "read" the scroll
* Hagin comes back to himself realizes he is still face down on the

The Lord isn't finished His revelatory work yet. While Hagin is
face down on the floor he hears a voice say:

"Come up hither. Come up to the throne of God! Again I saw Jesus
standing about where the top of the tent should be. . .When I reached
Him, together we continued on to heaven. We came to the throne of
God, and I beheld it in all its splendor. I was not able to look upon the face of God; I only beheld His form.

Hagin leaves his body, has a personal meeting with Jesus, returns to
his body, gets taken out of his body, meets a rider on horseback, is
given a prophetic scroll, reads it, is returned to his body, then "Jesus" calls Hagin out of his body again, he ascends to the throne of Almighty God. This would normally strain the credulity of most Christians, yet the average charismatic believer fully accepts his account. After the Lord explains the four phases of brother Hagin's ministry to him he is given a special anointing from the Lord of glory:

"Then the Lord said to me, "Stretch forth thine hand!" He held His
own hand out before Him and I looked into them. . .Instead of scars
I saw in the palms of His hands the wounds of the crucifixion -
three-cornered, jagged holes. Each hole was large enough for me to
have put my finger in it...As I looked upon the wounds in His
hands...He laid the finger of His right hand in the palm of my
right hand and then my left. The moment He did, my hands began to
burn as if a coal of fire had been placed in them. Then Jesus told
me to kneel down before Him. When I did, He laid His hands upon my
head, saying that He had called me and had given me a special
anointing to minister to the sick. He went on to instruct me that
when I pray and lay hands on the sick, I was to lay one hand on each
side of the body. If I felt the fire jump from hand to hand, an evil
spirit or demon was present in that body causing the
affliction...If the fire, or the anointing, in my hands did not
jump from hand to hand, it was a case needing healing only. I should
pray for the person in Jesus Name, and if he would believe and
accept it, the anointing would leave my hands and go into that
person's body, driving out the disease and brining healing."

There is a great deal which bears scrutiny in this segment of
brother Hagins's account. To begin with he sees holes in the
palms of "Jesus" hands. It is a physical impossibility for a person
to be nailed to a cross with the nails going through their palms.
The weight of the human body could not be supported by nails in the
palms. Archeologists agree that the nails used probably were placed
just behind the wrists of Jesus:

But new light has been thrown on the subject by archaeological work
in Judea. In the summer of 1968 a team of archaeologists under V.
Tzaferis discovered four Jewish tombs at Giv&#1313;t ha-Mivtar (Ras
el-Masaref), Ammunition Hill, near Jerusalem, where there was an
ossuary containing the only extant bones of a (young) crucified man,
dating from probably between ad{ad anno Domini} 7 and ad{ad anno
Domini} 66, judging from Herodian pottery found there. Thorough
research has been made into the causes and nature of his death and
may throw considerable light on our Lord's form of death. The
young man's arms (not his hands) were nailed to the patibulum, the
cross-beam, which might indicate that Lk. 24:39; Jn. 20:20, 25, 27
should be translated 'arms'. The weight of the body was
probably borne by a plank (sedecula) nailed to the simplex, the
upright beam, as a support for the buttocks. The legs had been bent
at the knees and twisted back so that the calves were parallel to
the patibulum or cross-bar, with the ankles under the buttocks. One
iron nail (still in situ) had been driven through both his heels
together, with his right foot above the left. A fragment shows that
the cross was of olive wood. His legs had both been broken,
presumably by a forcible blow, like those of Jesus' two companions
in Jn. 19:32. (Bold type added)

Brother Hagin attempts to validate his visionary experience by
citing John 20:25 where Thomas says "...except I shall see in his
hands the print of the nails..." What Hagin failed to realize is
that the Jews considered the "hand" to be any part from the elbow
down. On the physical evidence alone the being brother Hagin was
speaking to could not have been the Biblical Jesus.

More astounding than the nail scarred palms is the alleged
commission that Jesus gives brother Hagin. The purpose for Hagin
coming up to the throne room of heaven was to be personally
commissioned by the Lord Jesus Christ with a special anointing to
heal the sick. "Jesus" lays his hands on Hagin's head and tells
him that "he" has called him to minister to the sick via a special

Whenever brother Hagin lays his hands on sick people he will (from
this point on in 1950) be able to discern whether the person is sick
due to (1) an evil spirit, (2) a demon, or (3) just physically ill.
He will know this because the anointing fire will jump (or not jump)
from hand to hand! If Hagin can get the sick person to believe this,
then the anointing will flow out of Hagin's hands into the sick
person and he, Hagin, will know they are healed!

The anointing given to Kenneth Hagin is so special it is not found
anywhere in the Bible. He has received, personally, from the nail-
pierced hands of Jesus a power not given to any of the people within
the confines of the written Word. Nowhere in Scripture is such
an "anointing" spoken of. Nowhere in Scripture do we read on Jesus
giving anyone the ability to discern the cause of an illness by the
physical sensation of fire jumping from hand to hand! Yet does
anyone within the Pentecost/charismatic circle question this?

In fact, I find it interesting that during the healing revival (1940-
1950's) the main healing evangelists all claimed to have been given
a tangible healing anointing which was felt in their hands. Probably
the two most famous healing evangelists of that time who made such
claims were Oral Roberts and William Branham. With this in mind
brother Hagin's claim to feel the fire jump from hand to hand was
not hard for people to swallow. Bigger evangelists than he had
already been making claims of that nature for almost five years
prior to his being "anointed" to heal.

After this special call by "Jesus," the laying on of hands, and the
imparting of this special anointing Hagin begs not to be sent into
the healing ministry. Jesus rebukes him and Hagin relents and agrees
to obey this divine charge:

"I'll go with you and stand by your side as you pray for the
sick, and many times you will see Me. Occasionally I will open the
eyes of someone in the audience and they will say, "Why, I saw Jesus
standing by that man as he prayed for the sick."

"Jesus" personally commits to be with Hagin when he prays for the
sick. In fact, many times Hagin will personally get to see Jesus
standing by his side and Jesus will open the eyes of revival
participants and allow them to see Him. After this throne room
experience they head back to earth:

"Jesus then journeyed with me back to the earth, and I realized that
I still lay on my face on the floor. he talked with me there a
moment and then disappeared. My hands burned for three days just
like I had a coal of fire in each of them. Now when I wait upon the
Lord in prayer and fasting, the same anointing comes upon me again."

Brother Hagin gives no explanation why they went up to the "throne
room" of heaven, or why Jesus did not commission him when He first
appeared to Hagin earlier that day. Hagin does explain that this
special anointing can come and go; "if the anointing leaves you,
fast and pray until it comes back" . When he feels the anointing has
left him all that he has to do is some fasting and praying and it
will come back. There is no explanation about what would cause this
anointing to leave, all we know is what Hagin must do to get it
back. Before I go onto brother Hagin's next gnostic experience it
is necessary to take some time and consider what the Bible has to
say about the anointing and compare it to what Pentecostal and
charismatics mean when they use that term.

The working charismatic definition of "the anointing" is an
ineffable supernatural power given by the Holy Spirit to accomplish
a task or ministry. The anointing is felt by the minister and can be
transmitted to others through the laying on of hands. It is this
tangible power flowing from the minister to the recipient which
causes them to "fall under the power" when prayed for. Sometimes the
anointing is described as power, heat, electricity, or fire. The
anointing comes upon a minister and can lift from him. One can gain
the anointing through fasting and prayer (as in Hagin's case) or
it can be bestowed on a person via another "anointed" vessel.

Strong's Dictionary defines anointing as: chrisma, khris'-mah;
from Greek 5548 (chrio); an unguent or smearing, i.e. (figurative)
the special endowment ("chrism") of the Holy Spirit :- anointing,
unction. In the New Testament the term(s) for anointing are used
only seven times. Four of the seven are direct references to the
Lord Jesus Christ and His ministry (Lk. 4:18; Acts 4:27, Acts 10:38,
and Heb. 1:9).

The other three times refer to the work of the Holy Spirit in
teaching us as God's children (1 Jh. 2:20, 27) and in keeping us
in Christ (2 Cor. 1:21). Nowhere does the Bible speak of the
anointing being felt as fire, heat, electricity, or power. Nowhere
do we read of the anointing flowing out of Paul or Peter, i.e. being
transmitted and people falling down under the power of the
anointing. Every believer is sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph. 4:30)
and that same Holy Spirit is the anointing (1 Jh. 2:27). Thus every
believer in "anointed" with the Holy Spirit. If a believer has any
of the Spirit, he must then have all of the Spirit, because God is
not divisible.

Nowhere are we told how to increase this anointing, how to get more
of it, how to release it, or how to transmit it to others. From a
simple reading of the New Testament all of these concepts are false.
Charismatic teachers have developed an entire doctrine on the
anointing which separate the anointing from the Holy Spirit. The
anointing to them is a power given by The Spirit versus being
synonymous with the Holy Spirit. This is very important to
understand. If the anointing is separate then it can be lost,
increased, transmitted, etc. If however, the anointing and The
Spirit are one in the same, as the Bible teaches (Acts 10:38; Luke
4:18), then obviously, these things cannot occur.

UNCTION. In its three NT{NT New Testament} occurrences, i.e. 1 Jn.
2:20, 27 (twice), Authorized Version King James, 1611 renders Greek
chrisma, unction, and Revised Standard Version : NT, 1946; OT, 1952;
Common Bible, 1973 has anointed, *anointing. Christians who, by
virtue of their unction (vv.{vv. verses}20, 27), are all able to
discern schism (v.{v. verse} 19) and heresy (denial of the
incarnation, v.{v. verse} 22) are exhorted to adhere to the
apostolic message (v.{v. verse} 24), which led them to confess the
Father and the Son. Grammatically, unction must be either (a) that
which is smeared on (so B. F. Westcott, The Epistles of John, 1892);
or (b) the act of anointing (so A. E. Brooke, ICC{ICC International
Critical Commentary}, 1912); but in either case the word refers to
the gift of the Holy Spirit, of which baptism is the outward sign,
and whose sensible reception, leading to awareness of dangers to the
church, is the consequence of true incarnational faith. This
exegesis is compatible with, though not necessarily proving, the
belief that the anointing of the Spirit leads to spoken prophecy
within the church. (Bold type added by author). Thus the majority of
what Charismatic ministries teach about the anointing must be placed
under the category of false teaching. The following internationally
known ministries propagate erroneous concepts about the anointing:

* Kenneth E. Hagin Understanding the Anointing

* Benny Hinn The Anointing
God's Anointing for You
Understanding the Anointing
The New Anointing
Double Portion Anointing

* Creflow A. Dollar The Anointing of El Shaddai
Anointed Because of His Blood

* Lori Wilke The Costly Anointing

* Kenneth Copeland The Anointing

When a person has been taught that the anointing and the Holy Spirit
are not the same it is easy to understand why people can believe
that Jesus personally gave Kenneth Hagin a "special anointing" in
the area of divine healing. On the other hand, when one correctly
sees that the Holy Spirit and the anointing are one in the same,
then you can readily see that what brother Hagin received (if he
indeed received anything) did not come from the Lord Jesus. Which
leads me to conclude that his experience, although a real
experience, is both extra-Biblical and anti-Biblical in nature and
must be rejected.

A month later at another revival meeting Jesus appears to Hagin
again. In this instance Hagin is attempting to cast a demon out of a
man. After laying hands on him, the man is still bound by the demon
and Hagin looks over his shoulder and sees Jesus

"I saw Jesus standing there as plainly as any man I had ever seen in
my life! I thought everybody saw Him, but I learned later that no
one in the congregation saw or heard Him except me. The congregation
heard what I said, but they did not see or hear anyone else."

Jesus rebukes Hagin for his lack of faith reminding him that He
said "I said in my Name the demons will go." Hagin realizes he has
been in unbelief through his confession (he had asked the man to see
if he could stand up) and has the man come back. This time he lays
hands on him and commands him to stand up and he does!

Jesus appears to teach Hagin that his words have power, that he was
saying "if" versus commanding the result. Hagin learns no matter how
many gifts a person has, or how much power, it all works by faith,
i.e. belief in the right words.

December 1952 in Broken Bow Oklahoma Hagin is staying at a
Pastor's house. As he was getting on his knees to pray with the
pastor, he was instantly "in the spirit."

"On this night in 1952 in the parsonage kitchen, my physical senses
were suspended. At that moment I didn't know I was kneeling
beside the kitchen chair. It seemed as if I was kneeling in a white
cloud that enveloped me. Immediately I saw Jesus..."I am going to
teach you concerning the devil and demons, and demon
possession...from this night forwards, what is known in My Word as
the gift of discerning of spirits will operate in your life when you
are in the Spirit."

One thing that is prominent in the visions Hagin receives is the
element of being personally taught by the Lord Jesus Himself. Hagin
takes his understanding of Scripture to the highest point possible,
being personally taught by God, mouth to mouth! Hagin's
understanding of doctrine and the Bible does not come from mere man,
or a seminary somewhere. No, his comes from the very lips of the
risen Christ Himself! This places Hagin and his teachings on a very
high plain, which possibly explains why he is so revered among
Charismatics today.

The problem with this is manifold. To begin with much of what Jesus
is teaching (or showing) him is simply not Biblical. Secondly, we
have no record of anyone being personally taught doctrine by the
risen Christ after the closing of the canon of Scripture. We know of
a certainty that it is the ministry of the Holy Spirit to teach us
(Jh. 16:13) and that God has placed Pastor Teachers in the Body
(Eph. 4:11-12). We do know that John saw Jesus and wrote down what
he saw and heard. Apart from John no one else was personally taught
by Christ. Paul was taken to the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2) although
he does not say Jesus taught him anything. So Hagin's experiences
place him above Paul, Peter, James, Luke, and others.

"The Lord said, "There are four divisions: (1) principalities, (2)
powers, (3) rulers of the darkness of this world, (4) and wicked
spirits in high places or in the heavenlies...The highest types of
demons with which you have to deal with on earth, the rulers of the
darkness of this world, rule all unsaved people, all who are in
darkness. They rule over them and dominate them."

Hagin's Jesus goes on the reveal to him that people do the wicked
things they do because of these spirits. This is the classic "the
devil made me do it" of Flip Wilson given now divine verification!
Certainly Satan is the Tempter (Matt. 4:3), but people sin because
they are desperately wicked and are totally depraved. When Satan and
his demons are locked up for one thousand years why does Jesus have
to rule with a rod of iron (Rev. 19:15)? Because those who survive
the great tribulation and are alive when Jesus returns are still
fallen people and without any external force (demons) they will sin -
it is their nature. All sin cannot be laid at the feet of Satan or
his demons, much of what is sinful is based within the heart of man.

Then Jesus shows Hagin (in the spirit) a women who is a minister of
the gospel, and is even used in the supernatural gifts of the Holy
Spirit (pg. 75). In the end, this woman listens to the demons
speaking to her, she leaves her husband, and takes up with another
man and renounces Jesus Christ.

"Lord what will happen to her?" . . She will spend eternity in the
regions of the damned, where there is weeping and gnashing of
teeth.". .And in the vision I saw her go down into the pit. I heard
her awful screams."

This is an important vision because in this one Jesus contradicts
His own teaching concerning His sheep. Jesus said He would not loose
any of the people given to him by the Father (Jh. 6:39). The Bible
Jesus also stated that Jesus gives His sheep eternal life and they
shall never perish (Jh. 10:27,28).

Hagin's Jesus now reveals to us that a person can be saved, in
ministry, and then decide to reject Christ and be lost. So somehow
Christians can break the seal of the Holy Spirit, and by an act of
their will undo all that God has wrought in them at the moment of
salvation. This being speaking with Hagin is not the True Christ of
the Bible, but some cleaver demonic counterfeit.

Jesus goes on to reveal to Hagin the true meaning of 1 John 5:16 and
that we are not to pray for those who commit such sins, i.e. the sin
unto death. Now we know that the sin unto death is the sin which
leads to eternal damnation. In fact, Jesus goes onto the elucidate
to Hagin the five ingredients which comprise the sin unto eternal

"1. Be enlightened (or convicted) to see his lost states, and to
know that there is no way for him to be saved except through Jesus
Christ. 2. Taste of the heavenly gift, which is Jesus. 3. Become
partaker of the Holy Spirit, or be filled with the Holy Spirit. 4.
Grow enough out of the babyhood stage to have tasted of the good
Word of God. 5. Have the powers of the world to come - the gifts of
the Spirit - operating in his life."

Jesus gives Hagin (and us through Hagin) facts which again
contradict the teaching of Scriptures. What Hagin has been taught is
that a person is convicted of their lost condition and receives
Jesus, the heavenly gift. They then go onto to get filled with the
Holy Spirit - please understand that this for Hagin and most
charismatics is a subsequent experience after salvation. This
charismatic believer grows up having tasted the good Word of God (is
any of It bad?) and has the gifts of the Holy Spirit operate in
their lives. Then after this they willfully turn their backs on God
and end up in hell!

The Bible teaches that the believer is sealed with the Holy Spirit
unto the day of redemption (Eph. 4:30). Philippians 1:6 encourages
us that He, God, who began the good work of salvation, shall
complete this work in us. I Thessolonians 5:23, 24 we are assured
that God will keep us blameless at the coming of the Lord Jesus.
Paul assures us that the Lord who called us will do it! The text
Hagin claims Jesus taught him does not apply to blood-washed
Christians. Furthermore the text in First John does not teach that
we are not to pray for those who have committed a sin worthy of

Concerning this (peri ekeines). This sin unto death. That he should
make request (hina erotesei). Sub-final use of hina with the first
aorist active subjunctive of erotao, used here as in John 17:15, 20
(and often) for request rather than for question. John does not
forbid praying for such cases; he simply does not command prayer for
them. He leaves them to God. (Bold type the authors).

During this lenghty vision brother Hagin receives further startling
revelations which have become cornerstones of his ministry. Jesus
continues to speak to Hagin and lo-and-behold a monkey shaped demon
jumps up between them and starts causing a ruckus. Hagin can see
Jesus is speaking but he cannot hear what He is saying. Hagin waits
for Jesus to command the demon to go, but He does not. Finally Hagin
commands the demon to shut up and begone ... and the demon flees
in terror from him.

"I was still wondering why Jesus had not stopped this evil spirit
from interfering, and of course Jesus knew what I was thinking. He
said, "If you hadn't done something about that, I couldn't

Hagin immediately corrects Jesus by telling Him surely He meant
wouldn't have. Jesus says no He could not have done anything.
Hagin protests some more and Jesus tells him "sometimes your
theology needs upending" (pg. 87). Then Hagin decides to get
theological with Jesus and says:

"Lord, even though I am seeing You with my eyes, even though I hear
your voice speaking to me as plainly as any voice I have ever heard,
I cannot accept that unless You prove it to me by the Word of
God... I will not accept any vision, I will not accept any
revelation, if it cannot be proved by the Word of God."

It is obvious that for brother Hagin proving something by the Word
of God consists of finding a text, regardless of its context, and
thus proving the validity of a concept by mere proof-texting, which
is no proof at all.

Jesus then shows Hagin texts where Jesus gave the believer authority
over Satan and demons. Jesus tells Hagin no place in the New
Testament are we to ask Jesus to fight Satan or demons on our
behalf. The reason Almighty God cannot do anything about Satan is
because He has given His authority to the Church. Unless we deal
with Satan the job will not get done. Jesus has done all He is going
to concerning the devil and now it is up to the Body of Christ to
enforce his defeat by using our authority in Jesus name. The subject
of our authority over Satan and demons became a thrust of Hagin's
ministry. So much so he wrote a book entitled "The Authority of the
Believer." A main problem with this book, apart from the bad
theology, is the fact that he plegerized the vast majority of it.

The believer does not act autonomously in the spiritual life. Any
power or ability we possess comes from God, it is in Him we live and
move and have our being (Acts 17:28). When the gospel is preached
and people are saved - who saved them, the evangelist or the Lord?
The Lord. If you do pray for the sick and they are genuinely healed
by God, who healed them? The one who prayed or the Lord? The Lord.
If an evil spirit is indeed cast out, who cast it out, the
individual or the Lord? The Lord. In all cases, it is the Lord
operating by His Spirit through His servant. He alone gets the
glory. As in the other cases, what Hagin claims Jesus has taught him
is at variance with the Scripture and in most cases with logic.

In 1958 in Port Natches Texas Hagin is singing in other tongues
during a meeting and Jesus suddenly appears on the platform to him.
This time Jesus is not alone, He has come with Hagin's angel -

"Then, pointing to the angel standing beside Him, He said, "This is
your angel." " My angel?" I asked. "Yes, your angel, and if you will
respond to him, he will appear to you as I will at times; and he
will give your guidance and direction concerning the things of life,
for angels are ministering spirits who are sent to minister for
those who are heirs of salvation" (Heb. 1:14).

Obviously is Jesus is busying running some other aspect of the
universe He will now have His angel come and guide brother Hagin in
the affairs of life. Nowhere does the New Testament validate an
experience of this type. Angels do not give individuals guidance and
direction concerning the things of life. Last time I checked that
ministry was reserved for the Holy Spirit alone.

We do read some warnings concerning angels however, which brother
Hagin would do well to heed:

Col. 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting
in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on
visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,

2 Cor. 11:14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an
angel of light.

Galatians 1:8 But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should
preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to
you, let him be accursed.

No one in the Bible is told by God that an angel will guide them in
the affairs of life. Angels do minister, they do the bidding of God,
but they are not personal advisors. Earlier we read where brother
Hagin is given a special anointing, an anointing so special it is
not found in Scripture. Next we read that he is personally doctrine
by the Head of the Church. Now we read that he is given a personal
guide, a spirit-guide if you will, who will guide him in the affairs
of life, if he will open himself up to this spirit-being. It would
seem that brother Hagin has had more supernatural experiences than
all the apostles of the Bible combined!

February 1959, we find brother Hagin in the hospital with an injured
elbow. Around dinner time he hears some footsteps coming towards his
room and he looks up and it is Jesus!

"As I looked closer, I saw it was Jesus! It seemed as if my hair
stood on end. Cold chill bumps pooped out all over my body, and I
couldn't say a word...I am going to talk to you now about the
prophets ministry. You have missed it and have only been in my
permissive will because you have reversed the order, putting the
teaching ministry first and the prophet's ministry second."

Brother Hagin was operating in the permissive will of God, which is
why the devil was allowed to hurt his elbow. Jesus came to speed up
the healing process but also to get brother Hagin on track, i.e. to
get him to flow in the office of a prophet more so than that of a
teacher. Jesus went on to reveal to brother Hagin that the ministry
of the prophet and apostle are still for the Church today (since the
late 1940's Pentecostals had accepted this erroneous belief). Jesus
then defines the ministry of the prophet:

"Jesus went on the talk to me about the ministry of the prophet,
explaining that a prophet is one who has visions and revelations;
things revealed to him...Therefore the word of knowledge and the
discerning of spirits plus prophecy are operating in my ministry
when I am in the Spirit. This constitutes the office of the prophet."

Now after almost two thousand years we have further divine
revelation into what exactly makes one a prophet. All we need do is
accept what brother Hagin says Jesus taught him. A prophet has
visions and revelations. A prophet operates in the word of
knowledge, which Pentecostals define as the supernatural ability to
know what is currently happening in a person's life or at times a
city or nation. A prophet operates in the discerning of spirits, the
supernatural ability to see into the realm of the spirit, literally
see angels and demons at work. Lastly, they will naturally prophesy.
All of which, as we have read, are active in brother Hagin's
life. So obviously, he is a prophet as well as an evangelist and
teacher, and pastor.

Brother Hagin is not just an ordinary run-of-the-mill preacher. He
is the prophet of the Lord God and people had better listen to
him ... or else:

"He went on to say that if a Church wouldn't accept the ministry
of a prophet, they wouldn't accept His Word. He added that if a
pastor wouldn't accept this message, judgment would come to him.
The Lord said that if He gave me a message or a revelation for a
pastor, I should deliver it; and if He gave me a message for a
church or an individual, I should deliver it...If you give a
message for an individual, church, or a pastor, and they don't
accept it, you will not be responsible. They will be responsible.
There will be ministers who won't accept it and who will fall dead
in the pulpit."

Two weeks later brother Hagin finished preaching somewhere and the
pastor did not accept his message and fell dead! Naturally, writing
this has caused me sleepless nights. NOT!

As before, there is nothing in the New Testament to support this
concept. The Biblical Jesus did say in Mark 6:11 to shake the dust
off your feet if your witness is not received. He did not say "they
will die if they reject your message." In fact, Jesus rebuked John
and James when they wanted to call lightening down on a town which
rejected Jesus ... like Jesus I say to brother Hagin "you do not
know of what spirit you are" when you make statements like these.

The Counterfeit Dreams and Visions
of "Prophet" Kenneth Hagin


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