"It is
the talisman by which death itself becomes the portal to
life eternal."
From: "jagbir singh" <www.adishakti.org@gmail.com>
Date: Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:23 am
Subject: "It is the talisman by which death
itself becomes the portal to life eternal."
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shriadishakti@yahoogroups.com,
"v_koa" <v_koa@y...> wrote:
>
> Since i have been reading this website for almost a
year and in
> the forums for 5 months or so, i have to to know that
sahaja yoga
> collectives are, for the most part, not condusive to
progressing
> in sahaja yoga, possibly even a deterrant. Even when i
went to my
> first and only sahaja yoga collective meeting to get
my
> realisation (which i haven't continued working on as u
know) most
> of the people there seemed quite miserable and the
leaders
> teaching the class didn't seem that warm, or for that
matter all
> that happy. I don't understand how these people can
use all these
> treatments and even just meditate twice a day and
such, yet still
> catch and still be much like regular people; i would
think they
> would be much different.
>
Dear Kyyan,
First of all i would like to clarify a previous post
where i said:
"The Divine Message just does not allow you to pick and
choose according to your inherited religious whims and
fundamentalist fancies."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adishakti_sahaja_yoga/message/3039
i want you to know that i am speaking in general and do
not mean you
are of that nature. My apologies if my comments made you
think i was
referring to you personally.
The local collectives are absolutely necessary if you
want to learn about the subtle system. The Yogis are
really experts in this field and you will heal fast,
without having to pay a cent. But if you want to learn
about the Last Judgment and Resurrection and have faith
that this Great Event is actually taking place they will
provide little information.
You may thus take advantage of both by healing yourself
at the local
collective and continue to learn about the Divine
Message at this forum and related websites. In this way
you will always remain focused on the core message of
Shri Mataji - the Last Judgment and Resurrection while
you get your subtle system working.
As to your feeling that "most of the people there seemed
quite
miserable and the leaders teaching the class didn't seem
that warm,
or for that matter all that happy", it may be just that
it takes time to develop relationships. It will be
difficult on the first day for seekers and leaders to
strike up a lively conversation with all. Most SYs are
friendly and warm, willing to help you with their time
and resources. The last time i received a SY guest he
went out of the way to do a superb plumbing job even
though he was getting late for the return journey home
to rural Quebec ............... and the snow was
beginning to fall. Getting paid for helping others is
out of question. i am sure SYs will be warmer once you
know them.
You will also have to factor in the fact that almost all
new seekers leave within a short time. They perceive
that Sahaja Yoga is all about the subtle system. Being
free just makes it worse. Anyone teaching about the
subtle system without charging just does not make sense
to these people. After all, hundreds and thousands of
professionals make a living from it. So how come these
people are teaching for free?
This will hurt, as truth sometimes does: SYs running
public programs
in North America know that 99% of the seekers will
leave, as they
have done over the years. After a decade or so it is
indeed difficult to always put on a happy and cheerful
face. i admire them for their tenacity but question
their methodology and inability to tell others of the
Divine Message. It is a waste of time and energy to sell
Sahaja Yoga as a subtle system yoga when hundreds of
schools and thousands of professionals are doing a far
better job.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adishakti_sahaja_yoga/message/1785
All that fatigue is bound to show after all these years.
So, Kyyan, you just cannot blame them for reflecting
that tiredness.
i have received emails about people spending a year or
so in Sahaja
Yoga with scant knowledge about the Divine Message. The
emphasis
always seems to be on the subtle system, catches, cures
and cleansing. It is easy to leave Sahaja Yoga with that
mindset. It is another matter to participate in the
Great Event ordained for humanity. That is the raison
d'être for myself being in Sahaja Yoga. In future that
reason will account for the vast majority of seekers.
Just wait and see.
As for why many SYs keep catching, this issue has been
dealt with a
number of times. i am convinced that anyone can rid of
catches without any need for lemons and chillies. If the
Mother Kundalini
can be awakened to rise all the way to the Sahasrara, a
process that
takes many rebirths spent in spiritual pursuits, i just
cannot understand why it cannot cure petty subtle system
problems. To have
to resort to lemons and coconuts goes against all i have
learnt. i
will never resort to these rituals again, even if others
remain convinced of their 'powers'. i just have to ask
them: "Why do you
continue catching despite years?"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adishakti_sahaja_yoga/message/1884
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adishakti_sahaja_yoga/message/2863
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adishakti_sahaja_yoga/message/2865
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adishakti_sahaja_yoga/message/2957
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adishakti_sahaja_yoga/message/3001
> I was curious; for what good are collectives at all?
Say for
> example you have alot of issues to work out and
possible possesion
> or whatever, is it benifical to attend collective
meetings and
> have them work on you until those issues have been
dealt with and
> then leave to persue your path in sahaj, or should
they be avoided
> all together? (now i am talking about someone JUST
starting with
> sahaj) Also, being away from these collective, what
does shri
> mataji mean by you can only progress in sahaja through
> collectivity and passing on sahaja yoga, if the "
collectives" are
> left and the yogi is to practice on his own?( excuse
me if i
> misinterpreted her words or am simply taken her words
in the wrong
> contect)
>
Kyyan, you will have to attend the collective meetings
to rid yourself of some apparently serious problems, if
that indeed is the case. As i said before SYs are
experts at subtle system knowledge. But when you start
paying too much attention on it day and night such
obsession may lead to imbalance. When young SYs (below
25) start fearing all sorts of spiders, bats, cats and
what not, there is something very wrong. Even some adult
SYs have become conditioned, afraid to leave home
without all sorts of protection. i am not making this
up. Just check with the Vashi centre in Belapour, India
and the doctors will tell you the same sad story. They
just cannot understand why some SYs have become so
afraid of the world in which they live.
But despite all these drawbacks you still must go to the
collective. You have to get rid of that possession which
seems to be bothering you. Once you are healed you may
stay if you are comfortable. But if that ceaseless
chatter of catches and cures bother then just continue
meditating at home. There is nothing wrong with this
approach. For all i know you may just ascend faster than
others because your environment is free of fear and
guilt.
Danny is absolutely correct when he posted this:
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From: "calugar22" <calugar22@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Dec 26, 2004 9:00 am
Subject: Re: sahaja yoga collectives....
This is what Shri Mataji said about this subject..
Collectivity doesn't mean that we should all stick
together
"The joy we feel during music recital is because
Kundalini is
dancing. She gets happy, because you ask for nothing but
enjoyment of
collectivity. Collectivity doesn't mean that we should
all stick
together. Collectivity means wherever you are, you are
connected.
When you are connected you love that person and are
concerned about
that person. The connecting line is of love and not of
hatred. But
people will live together and break each other's head.
That is
because they are nowhere near the real growth of Sahaja
Yogis. You
may be in any part of the world but you are connected
and are
concerned. As soon as there is a problem in any part of
the world,
you are connected and effective and you can manage.
People don't
really understand the meaning of collectivity. Where
there is not
the other- Ananya. There is no other personality. These
personalities are separated from you because of left and
right or
both. You are yourself fully connected when you are
absolutely
detached and your Kundalini is dancing. You are alone
and never
alone. This oneness with the other gives you all the
security and
the joy you want. That's why the Kundalini awakening
means
collectivity. Unless and until you want pure
collectivity in
your being Kundalini won't rise". (Kundalini Puja,
Germany, 1991)
..and this means love your neighbor like you love
yourself. There is
nobody else. It is not you and the other. Collectivity
doesn't mean
that we should all stick together. You can be alone, on
an island,
and yet be collective.....
Sincerely,danny
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SYs keep telling themselves that to be collective is to
attend local
meetings, meditation etc. i call this the local
collective consciousness. Shri Mataji wants you to be in
Collective Consciousness where your attention is always
within your Sahasrara where She exists as the Adi Shakti
(Hinduism), Comforter/Holy Spirit (Christianity),
Shekinah (Judaism), Ma Adi/Ruh (Islam), Mai Treya
(Buddhism), Great Mother (Taoism) and Aykaa Mayee
(Sikhism). It does not matter how you approach Her. This
oneness with the Feminine Spirit within gives you all
the security and the joy you want. You are all alone but
never alone because you feel Her presence within in the
form of vibrations and guidance. Merging with Her within
will take time but once you have the experience and
faith it is easy to understand what Shri Mataji means by
Ananya - It is the end of duality.
In Collective Consciousness you stop caring only for SYs
and begin embracing all humanity and share their joy as
well as grief. As Shri Mataji has said: "You may be in
any part of the world but you are connected and are
concerned. As soon as there is a problem in any
part of the world, you are connected and effective and
you can manage." That is when you start caring and are
concerned for the
welfare of all human beings, whether they are
Indonesians, Sri
Lankans, Somalians, Indians, Burmese, Thai, Maldivians
or Malaysians. It does not matter if they are Muslims,
Buddhists, Hindus, Christians or atheists. In that
Collective Consciousness you do not want to
differentiate or divide human beings. They are all your
brothers and sisters who deserve the same compassion and
love. You will definitely love all humans if you start
merging in Collective Consciousness. And you also want
to tell them the Truth, even if few want to lend
support. But is does not matter as the Collective
Consciousness is Truth. So Kyyan, be both intelligent
and wise. You can be alone, on an island, and yet be
collective.
i will end by again reminding all SYs why Mahatma Gandhi
revered
Truth:
I deal with truth first of all, as the Satyagraha Ashram
owes its very existence to the pursuit and the attempted
practice of truth. The word satya (Truth) is derived
from Sat which means 'being'. Nothing is or exists in
reality except Truth. That is why Sat or Truth is
perhaps the most important name of God, In fact it is
more correct to say that Truth is God than to say God
is truth. But as we cannot do without a ruler or a
general, such names of God as 'King' or 'Kings' or ' The
Almighty' are and will remain generally current. On
deeper thinking, however it will be realized that Sat or
Satya is the only correct and fully sign fact name for
God.
And where there is Truth, there is also is knowledge
which is true. Where there is no Truth, there also is
knowledge which is true. Where there is no Truth, there
can be no true knowledge. That is why the word Chit or
knowledge is associated with the name of God. And
where there is true knowledge, there is always bliss. (Ananda).
There sorrow has no place. And even as Truth is eternal,
so is the bliss derived from it. Hence we know God as
Sat-Chit-ananda, one who
combines in Himself Truth, Knowledge and Bliss.
Devotion to this Truth is the sole justification for our
existence. All our activities should be centered in
Truth. Truth should be the very breath of our life.
When once this stage in the pilgrim's progress is
reached, all other
rules of correct living will come without effort, and
obedience to them will be instinctive. But without Truth
it is impossible to observe any principles or rules in
life.
Generally speaking observation of the law of Truth is
understood merely to mean that we must speak the Truth.
But we in the Ashram
should understand the word Satya or Truth in a much
wider sense. There should be truth in thought, truth in
speech, and truth in action. To the man who has realized
this truth in its fullness, nothing else remains to be
known , because all knowledge is necessary included in
it. What is not included in it is not truth, and so not
true knowledge; and there can be no inward peace without
true knowledge. If we once learn how to apply this never
failing test of Truth, we will at once able to find out
what is worth doing, what is worth seeing, what is worth
reading.
But how is one to to realize this Truth, which may be
likened to the
philosophers stone or the cow of plenty? By single
minded devotion
(abhyasa ) and indifference to all other interests in
life (vairagya) replies the Bhagavadgita. In spite,
however of such devotion, what may appear as Truth to
one person will often appear as untruth to another
person. But that need not worry the seeker. Where there
is honest effort, it will be realized that what appear
to be different truths are like the countless and
apparently different leaves of the same tree. Does not
God himself appear to different individuals in different
aspects? Yet we know that He is one. But Truth is the
right designation of God. Hence there is nothing wrong
in every man following Truth according to his lights.
Indeed it is his duty to do so. Then if there is a
mistake on the part of any one so following Truth it
will be automatically set right. For the quest of Truth
involves tapas, self suffering, sometimes even unto
death. There can be no place in it even a trace of self
interest. In such selfless search for Truth nobody can
lose his bearings for long. Directly he takes to the
wrong path he
stumbles, and is thus redirected to the right path.
Therefore the pursuit of Truth is true bhakti
(devotion). It is the path that leads to God. There is
no place in it for cowardice, no place for defeat. It is
the talisman by which death itself becomes the portal to
life eternal. (Source: The Mind of Mahatma Gandhi)
jagbir
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