About this document
This is a personal email or forum post written by Jagbir, addressed primarily to a fellow Sahaja Yogi ("ssahaji"), but intended for a wider audience within the Sahaja Yoga (SY) community. It is a spiritual testimony used as an argument in an intra-community dispute.
Core summary
Jagbir uses his personal mystical experience—an increase in the feeling of "cool breeze" or "vibrations" during meditation—as evidence to support one side of a theological disagreement within Sahaja Yoga. The dispute is between the view of "ssahaji" (internal) and "Michalis" (external) regarding the nature of Shri Mataji's presence.
Structure of the document
- The core disagreement: A conflict of opinions between "ssahaji" and "Michalis".
- Jagbir's testimony: He recounts a powerful meditative experience triggered by reading ssahaji's post, interpreting it as the "Divine Feminine" confirming ssahaji is correct.
- Corroborating evidence: He shares a past email exchange with someone outside of SY ("N.... L....") to establish a pattern of the Divine acknowledging "great souls" through vibrations.
- Broader frustration: The letter culminates in venting deep frustrations Jagbir has with the SY collective, which he feels has strayed from the true essence of Shri Mataji's teachings.
The main issues being discussed
1. The nature of Shri Mataji's presence
The "Michalis" view (external): The increased spiritual energy ("cool breeze") is directly attributable to the physical person of Shri Mataji, even focusing on her photograph. Jagbir calls this a "deeply conditioned, but false, collective mindset."
The "ssahaji/Jagbir" view (internal): The source is the same Shri Mataji/Devi/Divine Feminine that resides within everyone's Sahasrara (crown chakra) as Pure Consciousness. The physical Shri Mataji was an embodiment, but the true source is internal and universal.
2. The authority of personal spiritual experience
Jagbir uses his personal experience (the "increased flow of cool breeze") as the ultimate arbiter of truth. For him, the "Divine Feminine within" is "flawless in Her acknowledgement." This elevates personal, subjective mystical experience above collective dogma, logic, or scriptural debate.
3. Conflict and "unreasonableness" within the collective
Jagbir expresses clear frustration with a fellow yogi, Michalis, accusing him of "unreasonable ungratefulness" and clinging to a "false collective mindset." The document serves as a public (within the group) rebuttal of Michalis's position.
4. The role of "collectivity"
The document includes a heartfelt post from the original "ssahaji" expressing immense gratitude for her "collectivity"—her fellow Sahaja Yogis. This highlights the positive, supportive ideal of the community, which makes the subsequent conflict Jagbir describes all the more poignant.
5. Frustration with the institutionalization of Sahaja Yoga
Jagbir lists broader grievances:
- "Regressive daily external rituals" - opposing the mechanization of spiritual practice.
- Corruption of teachings by "WCASY" (World Council of Sahaja Yoga).
- Lack of honesty and transparency about Shri Mataji's significance.
- Decades of frustration with the direction of the organized movement.
Past email exchange (corroborating evidence)
From N.... L.... : "Please send me information re: Shri Mataji's tour schedule. with Deep Gratitude and Love"
Jagbir's reply: "I am sorry to say that Shri Mataji is 83-years-old and has retired from public appearance. Is there any other way i can help?"
N.... L.... (second email): "Jagbir; I am deeply moved by her teaching, and her Presence. And I am deeply grateful to her. Through you, in this moment, I hope this is conveyed to Her."
Jagbir's final response: "Just want to let you know N.... that yesterday evening, after reading your reply, i meditated. It was one of the most beautiful and deep meditations i had, full of vibrations and bliss. ... i know the Divine Feminine within me acknowledged your message."
Jagbir presents this as a pattern: the Divine Feminine responded with increased vibrations when a "great soul" communicated truth, just as happened with ssahaji's post.
In essence
This document is a cry from a spiritual insider who feels the external, organized form of his religion has lost touch with its internal, mystical core. Jagbir uses his profound meditative experiences as a weapon in a theological battle, seeking to validate a more internal, non-ritualistic understanding of his guru's legacy. He contrasts the beautiful, loving collectivity celebrated by "ssahaji" with the "unreasonable" dogmatism he perceives in members like Michalis and the broader organizational structure. The document is a personal testimony, a theological argument, and a of deep-seated frustration all rolled into one.
My ssahaji sister, i know the Divine Feminine within me acknowledged your message
"So after meditation i sat for a while and pondered the reason for the increased flow of cool breeze. It is clear that is not due to the physical Shri Mataji—though many SYs like Michalis will insist that is so—but because of the same Shri Mataji within our Sahasraras. i know the Devi exists within all humans as Pure Consciousness and is the Self in all. It is She who increased the flow of vibrations and the reason(s) for doing so can only be because of the great soul you truly are and what you have written. i can say this with conviction because i have had similar experiences over the years, even with non- SYs like N.... L.... below: "jai Shri Mataji
since last week i was reading everybody's reply silently.....
thanks for replying me....it's really helped me out to clear my
mind. Actually in the beginning i used the wrong word....that i
don't know how to look inside.
i am in sahaja yoga since last couple of years....and i can see my
self very clearly...how my self changed slowly...i did not have to
put that much efforts. it just happened.
Actually i learned so much from my collectivity...i learned how my
other sahaj brother and sister behave....how deep are they...infact
i met so many of them in collectivity that they are so deep. we
don't talk much about clearing or so....most of the time we talk
about how we improve our meditation.
Thanks Jagbir your words really help me out....but still i encourage
everybody if you get chance please go in collective meditation.
I don't think i am expressing my self enough to thank my
collectivity.
Because of my collectivity i am here today in sahajayoga. i am
feeling so much love when i see them.
and thank you Mother for coming on Earth just for us....now we have
to do her work....but i think it's start from your own self...so
please watch your self whenever you do something.
now we are a sahajayogi....and that is the greatest thing happened
ever....
JSM
ssahaji
Dear ssahaji sister (and all),
When i read your post yesterday the cool vibrations flowing 24/7 from my Sahasrara and hands became even cooler. It was such a beautiful experience that i immediately went into meditation to enjoy the bliss. My ssahaji sister, i know the Divine Feminine within me acknowledged your message (confirming for me, among other things, that you were telling the truth).
i wanted to tell you so yesterday but refrained because it may have been construed as self-advertisement. But Michalis' unreasonable ungratefulness—despite removal of a deeply conditioned, but false, collective mindset regarding Shri Mataji's photograph—forced me today to express what i experienced about you.
i continue....
So after meditation i sat for a while and pondered the reason for the increased flow of cool breeze. It is clear that is not due to the physical Shri Mataji—though many SYs like Michalis will insist that is so—but because of the same Shri Mataji within our Sahasraras. i know the Devi exists within all humans as Pure Consciousness and is the Self in all. It is She who increased the flow of vibrations and the reason(s) for doing so can only be because of the great soul you truly are and what you have written. i can say this with conviction because i have had similar experiences over the years, even with non- SYs like N.... L.... below:
——————— Original message ———————
On 2/2/07, N... L...
Please send me information re: Shri Mataji's tour schedule.
with Deep Gratitude and Love,
N....... L.......
——————— Original message ———————
From: "Jagbir Singh"
Hi N...... L.......,
i am sorry to say that Shri Mataji is 83-years-old and has retired from public appearance. Is there any other way i can help?
jagbir
——————— Original message ———————
to: Jagbir Singh
date: Fri, Feb 2, 2007 at 8:33 PM
subject: Thank you for responding so quickly
Jagbir; I am deeply moved by her teaching, and her Presence. And I am deeply grateful to her. Through you, in this moment, I hope this is conveyed to Her.
With Love and Blessings,
N.... L..., MSW
A Sacred Path
——————— Original message ———————
From: Jagbir Singh
Date: Sat, Feb 3, 2007 at 9:07 AM
Just want to let you know N.... that yesterday evening, after reading your reply, i meditated. It was one of the most beautiful and deep meditations i had, full of vibrations and bliss. (i am still feeling the after effects today morning).
i know the Divine Feminine within me acknowledged your message, and that is why i had this wonderful experience. The same Divine Feminine exists within you too.
All i can say from the vibrations is that you are a great ancient soul, perhaps on the last leg of the journey. i wish you all success on your spiritual path to merge with the Divine and attain the eternal Afterlife. Thanks for the experience.
warmest regards,
jagbir
So it may be questioned: "What has all this got to do with Michalis?”
Answer: Either ssahaji or Michalis can be right, not both, as their opinions contradict. Debating and arguing is pointless as i only know too well the futility of words, and the useless energy expended, to ponder this pettiness (that i need more humility, sweeter language and grovelling humiliation when pleading and begging self-realized SYs that they realize their inner Self; give up the regressive daily external rituals to cleanse their subtle system; prevent WCASY's blatant corruption of Shri Mataji's teachings and assumption of Her Will; be honest and upfront to humanity about Shri Mataji's advent and Divine Message ..... week after week, month after month, year after year and decade after decade).
The increased flow of vibrations is evidence that ssahaji is right, and saves us from the agony of doubt and indecision. i have had the same experience with my ssahaji sister yesterday as that with N...... last year, and the Divine Feminine within is flawless in Her acknowledgement of great souls through vibrations. Thanks.
Regards to all,
jagbir


