"The Paraclete represents direct, intimate divine involvement, supporting and teaching believers and challenging the world, as Jesus did."
"The Paraclete, Jesus' successor, is described in personal terms. (The noun and associated pronouns are masculine gender, which does not denote maleness. In fact, there is an old tradition in Christian theological and spiritual writing of referring to the Holy Spirit as feminine. The present study uses feminine pronouns for the Holy Spirit.) Jesus and his closeness are not to be replaced by a vague sort of something. The Spirit is described in these johannine passages in terms of the relational life of persons; she will continue to do many things that Jesus has done. The Paraclete represents direct, intimate divine involvement, supporting and teaching believers and challenging the world, as Jesus did."
The Term and the Role
"Jesus' term 'the Advocate' (or Paraclete; the Greek word is parakletos), enters the text at 14:16 with no preparation and no explanation. Even first-century readers might have been puzzled, for although they would have known the word, its common meanings might not have made clear what the Evangelist was saying by it. As he took over a word with a complex history and usage, he drew on some, but not all of its prior, largely secular meanings, and his way of using the term stretched it into new significance. He asked his readers to grasp his word on the terms set by his usage. Robert Kysar remark that the Paraclete is one of the Evangelist's 'innovative concepts.'
The Greek word combines para (alongside) and kalien (to call). It speaks of one who is called to the side of another. In Classical Greek it could mean an encourager, as when Xenophon speaks of exhorting men to the fairest deeds (Anabasis 31.24). The term also had a legal setting, speaking of one who enters a case as a friend of the accused or one who entreats or appeals in behalf of another. Philo spoke of the Jews in Alexandria, who were ill-treated, seeking a parakletos to carry their cause to the Emperor Gauis... Although one of the johannine Paraclete passages, 16:7-11, draws on the forensic background of the term parakletos, the other passages suggest broader, more personal senses, referring to one who consoles another, befriends another, guides or teaches another, or to one who publicizes the truth of things. Translators have tried many equivalents for the Evangelist's term: Advocate (the choice of the NRSV), Comforter, Convincer, Counselor, Encourages, Friend, Helper, Teacher. Some have simply transliterated: 'Paraclete.' John Reumann judges that 'No one English word catches all the nuances in the Paraclete passages.'"
Jesus and His Own: A Commentary on John 13-17
Daniel B. Stevick, Wm. B. Eerdmans (2011) pp. 284-85
"The Paraclete, Jesus' successor, is described in personal terms. (The noun and associated pronouns are masculine gender, which does not denote maleness. In fact, there is an old tradition in Christian theological and spiritual writing of referring to the Holy Spirit as feminine. The present study uses feminine pronouns for the Holy Spirit.) Jesus and his closeness are not to be replaced by a vague sort of something. The Spirit is described in these johannine passages in terms of the relational life of persons; she will continue to do many things that Jesus has done. The Paraclete represents direct, intimate divine involvement, supporting and teaching believers and challenging the world, as Jesus did.
In speaking of the Paraclete, the Evangelist often uses triadic terms. He sets the Spirit in relation to the Father and the Son; the Paraclete holds a place in the complex divine life. The writer puts the matter in different ways: The Spirit is given to the disciples by the Father on the request of Jesus (14:16), or she is sent from the Father in Jesus' name. (14:26). The Paraclete is sent by the Son from the Father, or she comes from the Father (15:26). Trinittarian questions and the categories for discussing them would, of course, only develop in later Christian thought, and when they did, the active, personal terms of the johannine Paraclete sayings provided the early theologians with rich (although not umambigious) material.
The Farewell does not describe the divine pneuma as an all-pervading Geist, but as specific revelatory act and presence. The Paraclete will be sent, as Jesus was sent (14:26). She will come, as Jesus came and as Jesus and the Father will come (14:23). To the world, disordered as it is, the Spirit is an alien presence which it cannot receive or know (14:17). The Evangelist describes an advent of the Spirit. The Spirit will witness to the world (15:26), showing it to be in the wrong (16:8-11)-as Jesus witnessed to the truth and against the world's mistaken self-understanding (18:37). The Paraclete who will witness against the world will teach the church. As believers make their uncertain way in the world, the Spirit will impart to them things they need to know but that they cannot come to know by self-initiated inquiry (14:26; 16:13-15).
Such expression locate the Spirit with the transcendence and free initiative of the divine. The johannine idiom does not present the Paraclete as an immanent, latent force which is progressively brought to articulateness and power by an inner drive of all things towards their fulfillment. The Spirit is not depicted in the Fourth Gospel as a diffused power that does everything in general. The divine Helper is not a symbol for the intrinsic relatedness of the creation to God. Rather, the Farewell Discourses describe the Paraclete as a speaker and an actor, a partisan, engaged for specific things and against others. The Spirit is the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Jesus, acting within the followers of Jesus and through them upon the refractory world.
While the Paraclete is related to the divine life, she is at the same time related to humanity-an intimate strengthener, corrector, reminder, instructor. The Spirit is God in you (14:17) and the author of 1 John says, The anointing that you received from him abides in you (1 John 2:27). The Spirit is a participation of the transcendent God in redeemed humanity and of redeemed humanity in God.
In the johannine description of the Spirit, these two things are held together. The one who is inward becomes inward from beyond. The one who is God-in-ourselves is not-ourselves. The Spirit is, in John V. Taylor's fine phrase, 'the beyond in the midst.'"
Jesus and His Own: A Commentary on John 13-17
Daniel B. Stevick, Wm. B. Eerdmans (2011) pp. 290-91
"The Paraclete will come (15:26; 16:7, 8, 13) as Jesus has come into the world (5:43; 16:28; 18:37)...
The Paraclete will take the things of Christ (the things that are mine, ek tou emou) and declare them (16:14-15). Bishop Fison describes the humility of the Spirit, 'The true Holy Spirit of God does not advertise Herself: She effaces Herself and advertises Jesus.' ...
It is by the outgoing activity of the Spirit that the divine life communicates itself in and to the creation. The Spirit is God-in-relations. The Paraclete is the divine self-expression which will be and abide with you, and be in you (14:16-17). The Spirit's work is described in terms of utterance: teach you, didasko (14:26), remind you, hypomimnesko (14:26), testify, martyro (15:26), prove wrong, elencho (16:8), guide into truth, hodego (16:13), speak, laleo (16:13, twice), declare, anangello (16:13, 14, 15). The johannine terms describe verbal actions which intend a response in others who will receive (lambano), see (theoreo), or know (ginosko) the Spirit. Such speech-terms link the Spirit with the divine Word. The Spirit's initiatives imply God's personal engagement with humanity. The Spirit comes to be with others; the teaching Spirit implies a community of learners; forgetful persons need a prompter to remind them; one testifies expecting heed to be paid; one speaks and declares in order to be heard. The articulate Spirit is the correlative of the listening, Spirit-informed community.
The final Paraclete passage closes with a threefold repetition of the verb she will declare (anangello), 16:13-15. The Spirit will declare the things that are to come (v.13), and she will declare what is Christ's (vv. 14, 15). The things of Christ are a message that must be heralded...
The intention of the Spirit of truth is the restoration of an alienated, deceived humanity... The teaching role of the Paraclete tends to be remembered as a major emphasis of the Farewell Discourses, yet only 14:26 says She will teach you all things. (Teaching is, however, implied when 16:13-15 says that the Spirit will guide you into all truth, and will speak and declare.) Franz Mussner remarks that the word used in 14:26, didaskein, "means literally 'teach, instruct,' but in John it nearly always means to reveal."
Jesus and His Own: A Commentary on John 13-17
Daniel B. Stevick, Wm. B. Eerdmans (2011) pp. 292-7
Messiah-Paraclete Shri Mataji "I was also born in a Christian family and I was shocked the way they interpreted Christ's life and the way they talked about it with great authority. Books and books were written. They give big, big sermons. I thought there's no truth in it what they are talking. Even my father felt the same way, because all these books came much after the authors of these books. Secondly, those who tried to write it were not authorized to do that. They were not spiritual people. They all wanted to have power; they wanted to have power in religion.
The power in religion is inside and that should be awakened. I must say, thanks to the Sufis of this country and other countries that people still think that there is something beyond all these words and talks and books."
The Paraclete Shri Mataji
Easter Puja, Istanbul, Turkey—April 23, 2000
"Eschatology is a part of theology, physics, philosophy, and futurology concerned with what are believed to be the final events of history, the ultimate destiny of humanity — commonly referred to as the 'end of the world' or 'end time'. The Oxford English Dictionary defines eschatology as 'The department of theological science concerned with 'the four last things: death, judgement, heaven and hell'.' In the context of mysticism, the phrase refers metaphorically to the end of ordinary reality and reunion with the Divine. In many religions it is taught as an existing future event prophesied in sacred texts or folklore. More broadly, eschatology may encompass related concepts such as the Messiah or Messianic Age, the end time, and the end of days... Most modern eschatology and apocalypticism, both religious and secular, involves the violent disruption or destruction of the world, whereas Christian and Jewish eschatologies view the end times as the consummation or perfection of God's creation of the world. For example, according to ancient Hebrew belief, life takes a linear (and not cyclical) path; the world began with God and is constantly headed toward God's final goal for creation." Wikipedia (Retrieved January 13, 2012)
"Christ didn't say that, 'I am the Destination.' He said, 'I'll send you the Holy Ghost; I'll send you a Comforter; I'll send you a Redeemer; I'll send you a Councilor.' He talked about the future."
"But to communicate with the people—to communicate with the Spirit, to understand the Kundalini, the vibrations, and their different decodings and all that—the Holy Spirit had to come; with Her mouth, and with Her voice, and with Her intelligence that is intelligible to you, with the knowledge, and everything.
Otherwise it is not possible to communicate and that's why if somebody has to come you have to just recognize. Recognition is the best way of understanding the powers that are given to you.
You have been given powers, no doubt. But these powers, even if somebody gets Realization (baptism), like Buddha got his realization he thought there is no God. He did not believe in God because he just got Realization (baptism) through a formless, formless thing you can say. And he just did not know. He did not talk of Kundalini. Then he did not talk of God actually, and he started talking only of the ascent.
So somebody has to be there to give you the complete picture. You get Realization, you get vibrations, but then what? What about the complete? And for that, the Holy Ghost has to take a form. All right?
May God bless you."
The Paraclete Shri Mataji
Talk after Shri Lalita Havan
Sydney, Australia—April 7, 1981
"The Paraclete's expressive teaching, declaring, witness-bearing, and judging actions exhibits the Paraclete's role as the Spirit of Truth... The intention of the Spirit of truth is the restoration of an alienated, deceived humanity...
In relation to the church, the Spirit is counselor, teacher, and guide; but in relation to the world, which is carried away in untruth, the Spirit goes on the offensive: She will prove the world wrong (16:8). Christians who hear the Spirit described as 'Advocate' tend to think of the divine Paraclete as one who stands with them, taking their part before God. They have an image of a court in which God is judge, and weak, erring persons are in need of a partisan, forceful representative if their case is to carry. But such an understanding of the Spirit's advocacy should not be read into this Paraclete passage. The Evangelist might think that such a construction of his terms represented, to say the best for it, a half-converted understanding. When he uses the legal aspect of his Paraclete terminology most fully (in 16:7-11), he depicts the Paraclete as a prosecutor, a power that is effective on the world, contending against it and in behalf of God. A verdict for God is sought from humanity. The urgent need, with respect to God and the world, as the Evangelists describes it, is not that humanity be represented before God, but that God's truth and judgment be set before a world that is largely closed against them. The Paraclete gives the case for God her potent advocacy." (Stevick 2011, 295-96)
"We are now in the Blossom Time, as I call it, because many flowers are born and they are to become the fruits. This is the Resurrection Time, which is described in all the scriptures. But it's not like this, the way they had described us. Something wrong with them that all the dead bodies who are in the graves will come out of the graves. I mean, how much is left out of them, God knows. Must be some bones or maybe some skulls there. So they'll come out of the graves and they will get their Resurrection!!!? This is a very wrong idea."
Philadelphia, USA—October 15, 1993
"Eschatology ... is not exactly your everyday word. If you had read every word of this newspaper every day for the last five years, you would have encountered it fewer than 20 times. Half those times were somehow referring to fundamentalist religious beliefs about the final battles between good and evil, the coming of Jesus (or other messianic figures), the Last Judgment and the eternal assignment of the saved and the damned to heaven or to hell... In the 1960s, his 'Theology of Hope,' subtitled 'On the Ground and the Implications of a Christian Eschatology,' became one of the most widely translated and read theological works, stirring enthusiastic responses among Roman Catholics as well as Protestants, and among religious radicals in the developing world as well as dissident Marxists in Eastern Europe. At the core of this theology were the principles that human consciousness is not shaped only by the past and present but also by anticipation of the future, that biblical revelation is centered on God's promises, and that hope for the future does not rest on extrapolations of past or present trends but on something truly beyond them, namely those divine promises... The goal of a final judgment, in this interpretation, is not reward and punishment but victory over all that is godless, which he calls ' great Day of Reconciliation.' Professor Moltmann argues for the universal preservation and salvation not only of humans, as individuals and as members of groups, but also of all living creatures. It has been ' fatal mistake of Christian tradition in doctrine and spirituality,' he argues, to emphasize the 'end of the old age' rather than 'the new world of God,' the beginning of the 'life of the world to come.'" (Steinfils, New York Times 2007)
Spirit-Paraclete"Of course there are some absurd things which grew with misinterpretation and interference from unholy people, which are common in these religions. For example, Jews, Christian and Muslims believe that when they die their bodies will come out of their graves and they will all be resurrected at the Time of Resurrection, at the Time of Last Judgment, at the Time of Qiyamah. It is illogical to think what will remain inside those graves after five hundred years. Nobody wants to think and understand that it is not the body but the soul that will come out of these bodies, be born again as human beings and be saved through Qiyamah and Resurrection."
The Message of Christ, London, UK December—10, 1979
"The world needs to be convinced of the truth about itself — something it cannot come to on its own terms. Yet without that truth, the world is forever self-deceived. The showing of the world to itself is the mission of the Paraclete, when she comes. The Spirit comes (as in 15:26); she engages actively with the world. As Jesus had been sent and came, so the Spirit." (Stevick 2011, 252)
"Though you can understand that Mother's Love makes it very easy for you to get to your Realization (baptism) and that the whole story of Last Judgment—which looks such a horrifying experience—has been made very beautiful and very tender and delicate, and does not disturb you... All this, if it is told without Realisation, has no meaning. But people were given great ideas about it and also were promised that 'one day your resurrection will come.' It is the greatest happening for you. It is the greatest event of your life and one must consider it is very fortunate that you have been able to achieve it."
Kundalini And Kalki Shakti
Bombay, India—September 28, 1979
"The writer's general thesis is clear: The world has gotten things wrong — things that it must get right if it is to understand itself and carry out its appointed work. But the self-enclosed world has no vantage from which to see itself; its efforts to gather the truth about itself from itself are futile. No observer, taking a point of view within the world, can be freed of that darkening which pervades both the object of inquiry and the inquirer. That is the condition of the world — to find itself a continual object for its own investigation, to have the self-reflective capacity for examining itself, but always to miss the truth about itself. Lacking self-understanding, the actions of the world easily become inhumane and unjust. When the world comes to a new understanding of itself, it will be through the revealing work of God's Spirit." (Stevick 2011, 252)
"What Christ did there are many people; I read the other day one book saying that He never resurrected himself. I must say they scientifically, they proved scientifically. Can you imagine? How can you prove scientifically I don't understand...
But this is the trouble that they try to prove everything scientifically. You cannot prove Christ's resurrection scientifically. That's why you cannot deny it either...
But it is such a long story started thousands of years back, and today it is just reaching its climax. The fruit is just going to be formed. It's just the Blossom Time has come for this story, and if the seekers co-operate I am sure it will work out. Have all the hopes. May God bless you."
All Is Beautifully Made, Hampstead, U.K.—April 22, 1982
"According to John, when Jesus says (14, 16): And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Paraclete', what He is saying is that 'another' intercessor will be sent to man, as He Himself was at God's side on man's behalf during his earthly life. According to the rules of logic therefore, one is brought to see in John's Paraclete a human being like Jesus, possessing the faculties of hearing and speech formally applied in John's Greek text, Jesus therefore predicts that God will later send a human being to Earth to take up the role defined by John i.e. to be a prophet who hears God's words and repeats his message to man. This is the logical interpretation of John's texts arrived at if one attributes to the words their proper meaning." (Bucaille, Pannell 2001, 115)
"The five Paraclete sayings in chapters 14 through 16 deal with the Spirit of Truth; in an unparalleled treatise, John describes the Paraclete as the 'new Advocate' who takes the place of the ascended Christ. The primarily work of that Spirit, as we saw extensively, is to teach us the whole truth about Jesus. But in the fifth saying, Jesus tells his disciples, 'the Spirit of truth ... will guide you to all truth.' (John 16:13) This seems to include more than a deeper intellectual understanding of the truth; that is, it also involves teaching in a way of life in conformity with Jesus' teaching." (Kinn 2004, 102)
Mar 21, 1923—Feb 23, 2011 "Even in the Judaism or when they believe in the coming of the Saviour for their salvation, even they have talked about.So it is all described in Koran. There's a complete Surya describing about 'The Sent One', means the Avatar, means 'The Incarnation'. And also said that you won't believe, you won't accept and all those things.So now, once you are realized souls, then only you start seeing that all this talk is futile. You have to become a realized person. If you get your realization, then only you can get over the superficial illusions and you can go deep into it. All these illusions are there in all the countries, in all the religions and that's why there is a problem and we have seen people suffering from the pangs of fundamentalism.
And now the main problem is fundamentalism and that comes out of ignorance — ignorance and also selfishness because people want to say that "This is my religion, this is my prophet, this is my guru, this is my master" and all those things, but actually they don't belong to any party, to anyone. They belong to the whole world. One can understand if you establish something for your protection from other parties, but to start yourself in a way to establish a falsehood surprisingly — very surprising, I don't understand human beings. For such falsehood, they are very happy to join and so many will join. Without even thinking, knowing, they'll all club together for a nonsense like that. For a nonsense, human beings always club together, but for a sensible thing they don't want to understand."
January 7, 1990—India
That Cross is very heavy and few can even lift it in the first placeOctober 9, 2017
Yahoo forum post # 18657
Dear Violet (and all),
i have started going through George Johnston's The Spirit-Paraclete in the Gospel of John and found it so dense and difficult. Like you, I also tried my best but just could not extract meaningful paragraphs.
After spending only twenty minutes I got really 'tired' and just could not continue anymore. The contents not only sap your positive energy but also leaves you confused and disoriented.
Then I remembered this post of yours saying something about "three days" i.e., you went down for three days. I now wonder what I would have felt if I had spent three hours like you did.
This is a book that I judged by the cover, literally .......................... and the proverb makes so much sense. I did ask for the book based on the cover "The Spirit-Paraclete in the Gospel of John", the well-known author "George Johnston", and "list of topics" that I thought would help us in The Work.
i should have read the contents first.
Violet, I am sorry that I put you through a difficult task that, after my own experience today, I will NOT continue.
So what have I learned, again? In other words, if not for the Paraclete Shri Mataji what can we gain from reading George Johnston's The Spirit-Paraclete in the Gospel of John and similar books concerning the Spirit-Paraclete?
i have learned that if not for the Paraclete Shri Mataji no one can grasp the true, deep and central message of Jesus - the Kingdom of God, Resurrection Last Judgment, being born of the Spirit, life eternal. Not even the best of Christian theologians can offer any meaningful insight into the Savior's message ........................... and there is a reason for that:
"While the Spirit-Paraclete is the true broker, the brokers they rely on are imposters."
"As the spirit is in the Gospel proper, so the Spirit-Paraclete is a benefit that Jesus will broker to believers. But as with the other benefits that Jesus provides, the source of the Paraclete is with God. The Father sends the Paraclete via Jesus. Ultimately, the Paraclete is sent to perpetuate the availability of access to God's patronage...
As the true Spirit, the Paraclete stands apart from the false spirits of the world. Consequently, to call the Spirit-Paraclete the truth is to make a competitive claim against those opponents. While the Spirit-Paraclete is the true broker, the brokers they rely on are impostors." Tricia Gates Brown
"The final Spirit-Paraclete saying of John's Gospel appears at 16.12-15. Jesus has still many things to say to the disciples that they can presently not bear. But when the Spirit of Truth comes ... Everything that the Spirit-Paraclete will proffer to believers will have its source in Jesus. And as v. 15 suggests, all that Jesus has comes from the father: 'All that the Father has is mine. For this reason I said that ...[the Spirit of Truth] will take what is mine and declare it to you.' ... The Spirit-Paraclete brokers truth by providing access to Jesus, the truth. That the Paraclete provides access to Jesus has been a theme all through the Farewell Discourses. Yet the contrast emphasized in 16.12-15 is that between the truth that Jesus' faithful clients will receive and the falsehoods of the world. In 16.8-11 it was implied that those who remain loyal to the world will not receive the truth. They are led in the way of falsehood. Those who remain loyal to Jesus, on the other hand, will be guided in the way of truth by the Spirit of Truth.
The verb employed in 16.13a, (to guide), bears an affinity to the word used by Jesus in his 'I am' statements at 14.6, 'I am [the way].' As 'the way' Jesus provides believers with access to the Father; and as one who 'guides' believers into all truth, the Paraclete provides access to Jesus, who is 'the truth', as well as to the words ... from the glorified Jesus. The future tense verbs in these verses reveal that the Paraclete will disclose to the disciples 'new' revelations from the glorified Jesus and will not merely recapitulate and explain to them the teachings from Jesus' earthly ministry. These new revelations will include information about 'things that are to come.'...
The deep concern of the community centered on whether Jesus could continue to broker access to God when he was no longer on the Earth. This concern seems to be behind the emphatic reassurance of Jesus' role as the exclusive 'way' to the Father (14.6). It is dealt with through the introduction of the Paraclete, who continues Jesus' work and presence among the disciples. The Spirit-Paraclete and Jesus share a functional unity in that many of the tasks that the Paraclete is said to fulfill are earlier ascribed to Jesus. It becomes clear in the Discourses that the Paraclete does not act independently of Jesus, nor is identical with Jesus in some way. Essentially, the Paraclete perpetuates the presence of Jesus by brokering access to Jesus after he has departed. The Paraclete teaches the disciples by speaking to them what [the Paraclete] hears from Jesus (14.26; 16.12-15), ... reminds the disciples of what Jesus said to them (14.26), ... witnesses on behalf of Jesus in Jesus' trial before the world (15.26), ... continues Jesus' work of proving to the disciples the wrongheadedness of the world (16.8-11), ... guides the disciples into all truth by taking 'what belongs to Jesus' and declaring it to the disciples (16.12-15), and ... glorifies Jesus by providing the means for Jesus to continue his role as their patron/ broker to the disciples. The Paraclete provides the disciples with access to the glorified Jesus, allowing Jesus to continue his work of revealing God to the disciples, of witnessing alongside them, of exposing the darkness of this world. In other words, the Paraclete makes it possible for Jesus to continue to be 'the way' to the father, even when he is out of sight of the believers. [The Paraclete] provides a way for Jesus to continue to be a paraclete...
The 'oneness' of Jesus and the Paraclete is not to be understood as identity. The Paraclete is not the spirit of Jesus or the presence of Jesus, for the Paraclete is clearly subordinated to and dependent on him (16.13-15). Burge's interpretation, which melts pneumatology into Christology, is not necessary. Just as the oneness of Jesus and the Father in John can be explained by the fact that Jesus provides access to God, so that from the perspective of believers it is as if they are hearing God's words and seeing the Father himself when they see Jesus (10.37-38; 14.8-11), so when they experience the Paraclete it is as if they are experiencing Jesus. For it is only through Jesus that believers can know/see/hear God, and it is only through the Paraclete that they can continue to know/see/hear the glorified Jesus. The Paraclete continues Jesus presence and the work not as Jesus' alter ego, but as a broker.
As the spirit is in the Gospel proper, so the Spirit-Paraclete is a benefit that Jesus will broker to believers. But as with the other benefits that Jesus provides, the source of the Paraclete is with God. The Father sends the Paraclete via Jesus. Ultimately, the Paraclete is sent to perpetuate the availability of access to God's patronage...
As the true Spirit, the Paraclete stands apart from the false spirits of the world. Consequently, to call the Spirit-Paraclete the truth is to make a competitive claim against those opponents. While the Spirit-Paraclete is the true broker, the brokers they rely on are impostors."
Tricia Gates Brown, Spirit in the writings of John
Continuum International, 2004, pages 231-3
And after posting the above extract I wanted to wish everyone "Happy Thanksgiving". I just found out that it falls on Monday, October 9, 2017 i.e, today!
i am thankful ..................... to Jesus and the Paraclete Shri Mataji "for the promotion and enlargement of that kingdom which consisteth of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost." Yes, I am.
Happy Thanksgiving to all,
Many Americans think of Thanksgiving as a wonderful time to celebrate getting out of school for a long weekend, and eating a great dinner. Or, maybe they think it is the start of the Christmas holiday season. What is the real meaning behind Thanksgiving? Catherine Millard writes:
We can trace this historic American Christian tradition to the year 1623. After the harvest crops were gathered in November 1623, Governor William Bradford of the 1620 Pilgrim Colony, �Plymouth Plantation� in Plymouth, Massachusetts proclaimed:
"All ye Pilgrims with your wives and little ones, do gather at the Meeting House, on the hill� there to listen to the pastor, and render Thanksgiving to the Almighty God for all His blessings."
This is the origin of our annual Thanksgiving Day celebration. Congress of the United States has proclaimed National Days of Thanksgiving to Almighty God many times throughout the following years. On November 1, 1777, by order of Congress, the first National Thanksgiving Proclamation was proclaimed, and signed by Henry Laurens, President of Continental Congress. The third Thursday of December, 1777 was thus officially set aside:
"�for solemn thanksgiving and praise. That with one heart and one voice the good people may express the grateful feelings of their hearts, and consecrate themselves to the service of their Divine Benefactor;� and their humble and earnest supplication that it may please God, through the merits of Jesus Christ, mercifully to forgive and blot them (their manifold sins) out of remembrance� That it may please Him� to take schools and seminaries of education, so necessary for cultivating the principles of true liberty, virtue and piety under His nurturing hand, and to prosper the means of religion for the promotion and enlargement of that kingdom which consisteth of 'righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost'�"
Shri Mataji: "He�s not the Christ of the Bible but the Christ of your heart—which is born within you—is to be looked after."
October 10, 2017
Yahoo forum post # 18657
Dear Jagbir and all,
So many of us are not of the level of a doctorate from the university. But what happened to all the doctors in Sahaja Yoga? Where are they today? Have they kept the will and determination to promote the Paraclete Shri Mataji's Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection? (Shri Mataji's life itself and what She was capable of was their own personal evidence and Shri Mataji gave plenty of that personal evidence to those around Her.) We know they have not. So, what has all their collective doctorates done for the evidence given for the Paraclete Shri Mataji's Incarnation, which Paraclete (think of it) Jesus said He would send!
And He did send Her, who is the Paraclete Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. Children have given specific evidence to confirm the Incarnation of the Holy Spirit that no doctorate from all the doctorates in the world can give as prima facie evidence of. But we have it. It was too much for the Doctors of Sahaja Yoga who tried to shut that evidence down. That proves how important it is, I would say.
The disciples of Jesus were very important to the Paraclete Jesus as witnesses of His Incarnation and testimony-bringers. They gave as each could give of their testimony, some better able than others, others not very able at all, evidenced by Jesus' words in the Gospel of James where He basically said that his disciples didn't understand. But they tried.
By our very lives and what we do or write also in our own way gives evidence of the veracity of the Paraclete Shri Mataji, the Holy Spirit that has awakened and giving us evidence within us. No doctorate alone can do that, unless it also includes personal evidence from within. The doctors/doctorates in Sahaja Yoga became lead astray to the point of working against Her. One has to ask, were they genuine to begin with or was there a seed of betrayal within them that was perhaps dormant and then sprouted and grew into the Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion because like Jesus' disciples, they did not understand?
So, I think like you have stated, it will take the special doctorate of Lalita, who herself gave evidence and will have a doctorate, to carry on that work. The others of us just have to work the best that we can, in the best way we each individually can do it. Not everyone has abilities in every facet, let alone the skills of doctorate-level that for most of us takes a university education and professors meticulously looking over one's shoulders to achieve.
Happy Thanksgiving to the Paraclete Shri Mataji and those who Uphold Her Significance within themselves!!
October 11, 2017
Yahoo forum post # 18775
Dear Violet, Jagbir and all:
Not everything is lost in the collective. Lots of sahaja yoga followers as stands right now, follow because they have had a glimpse of the Divine Godess trough Shri Mataji. They are truly seekers and good hearten. The same goes for lots of Catholics.
We that live within them, unnoticed, can make a change. How I do not know. These seekers are coming to see and to find. They just need a guidance.
My thinking is that they have already come this way, they have met the Paraclete or so they think. This is at least some advancement. If we were to open their eyes and use the same Sahaja Collective they own websites, etc. we may be able to convey the right message and others may follow.
Jagbir you have proven to be very good at pinpointing where to look and find, what is the message, what is the revelation.
This is just an idea that needs input and development.
As stands right now I have distanced myself from the collective, both because I was getting frustrated for my lack of advancement and because of my husband's health serious problems. I still meet weekly for deep meditation in a small group at a yogini's home. I used to run a weekly class for years and I am confident that people will follow if I were to start again. Lots of people came and left, lots of them because there were no spiritual advancement to be seen after the first experience of awakening the Kundalini and as I see it because we were not truthful.
October 12, 2017
Yahoo forum post # 18776
Dear Pamela, Jagbir and all,
�Not everything is lost in the collective. Lots of sahaja yoga followers as stands right now, follow because they have had a glimpse of the Divine Goddess trough Shri Mataji. They are truly seekers and good hearten. The same goes for lots of Catholics.�
[Pamela, here is something I wrote this month of October, eleven years ago, which somehow came onto the �India Divine� forum. It gives my testimony of what it means to me to be collective, because I have learned from experience that attending any religious organization (including Sahaja Yoga) does not make me collective in the highest spiritual sense of what �Collectivity� means. Shri Mataji has described and explained that highest sense fully]:
�We that live within them, unnoticed, can make a change. How I do not know. These seekers are coming to see and to find. They just need a guidance.�
[In fact, Pamela, when I started to explain about Jesus and Shri Mataji and the Resurrection being Kundalini Awakening, the leadership approached me and warned me against doing so, because it was not their Subtle System approach, it was the same approach that Shri Mataji used at Her Public Programs. It is not possible to live with such a leadership and unnoticed make a change. They will find you out and chastise you, making you feel uncomfortable about staying. Like Shri Mataji said]:
�But people will live together and every day break each other�s' heads. Some of them really give Me headaches, I tell you, sometimes because they are nowhere near the real growth of Sahaja Yoga.�
Shri Adi Kundalini Puja, Germany, 11 August 1991
[Btw. Jagbir, Shri Mataji says in this video, referring to Sahaja Yogis, that �they are nowhere near the growth of Sahaja Yoga�. It is in 2:21 in this video]:
And yet in his A-Z Blog, John Noyce quotes Shri Mataji as saying: �they are nowhere near the growth of Sahaja Yogis�:
Is there not an important difference between �they are nowhere near the growth of Sahaja Yoga� as Shri Mataji stated directly on video and �they are nowhere near the growth of Sahaja Yogis� as John Noyce quotes in his blogspot?
I will explain:
�Sahaja Yoga� means �Spontaneous Union with the Divine Within�. The organization of Sahaja Yoga was named after that experience and not the other way around.
To say Sahaja Yogis are nowhere near the growth of Sahaja Yoga makes sense. To say Sahaja Yogis (who Shri Mataji was talking to) are nowhere near the growth of Sahaja Yogis, does not make sense!
The meaning of what Shri Mataji is saying has to make sense to others, not just to Herself!
Just like the leaders of Sahaja Yoga have over the years subtly made Shri Mataji�s teachings into what I call the �Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion�, John Noyce could ever so subtly be altering Shri Mataji�s meaning by making Her �Sahaja Yoga� words instead say �Sahaja Yogis�:
�My thinking is that they have already come this way, they have met the Paraclete or so they think. This is at least some advancement. If we were to open their eyes and use the same Sahaja Collective they own websites, etc. we may be able to convey the right message and others may follow.�
[Pamela, any seekers that come to the organization of Sahaja Yoga, which is different from the experience of Sahaja Yoga, do not hear the term �Paraclete� mentioned. The term �Paraclete� was never mentioned when I was in Sahaja Yoga and I have never heard any mention of it in Sahaja Yoga.
We, per se, do not have the power to open their eyes, just as nobody had the power to open our eyes, except only as we were seeking the truth did we open our eyes to the truth, when it was presented to us. And yet, we had to test or question everything. The truth is the truth and does not change by questioning it. Rather, what is false is exposed through questioning.
I don�t know which �Sahaja Collective� and their websites you are referring to that are in any way independent from the leadership that instituted the SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) over and above the Message of the Paraclete that Jesus said he would send and Her Message/Christ�s message of Resurrection, because if they are under the same Sahaja Yoga organization of the pompous bureaucrats that altered Shri Mataji�s Message on the ground from Her being any kind of Paraclete/Incarnation of the Holy Spirit to being �simplicity-personified���.. By describing Shri Mataji as �simplicity-personified� instead of as the �Great Mahamaya�, these deceivers gave every Sahaja Yogi in the organization of Sahaja Yoga the excuse to follow their dictate below, without any conscience while doing so, much like Roman Catholic priests claim to have the power to forgive on behalf of God at confession time:
The AUM initiative:
Preserving the image of Shri Mataji and Sahaja Yoga on the Internet
Tuesday, February 21, 2012
"9.0 Reference to Shri Mataji on Blogs, Public forums, Sites and Groups
Shri Mataji is simplicity personified. Her language, Her demeanor and Her nature reinforce the simplicity aspect, which is why even communication about Her needs to be easy to read.
When describing Shri Mataji, care should be taken to avoid any kind of association of the following terminology
. Religious or cult leader
. Religious leanings / ideas
. Any viewpoint or statement of Shri Mataji against any known figure or event or any popular practice.
Shri Mataji's reference and description is solely for the purposes of conveying our love for our Mother between yogis. But for non-yogis such terminology can be considered as blasphemy and thus should be avoided.
The problem is it that not all are ready for the real knowledge and we face the risk of repelling them even before they have a chance to find out about Sahaja Yoga and Self-Realization.
- See more at: http://www.sahajayoga-shrimataji.org/#sthash.Wu2SGVDw.dpuf
Yahoo forum post # 17938
You will never be able to convey the correct message while under their supposed jurisdiction, Pamela. I remember Shri Mataji saying to the effect of, �Choose Me, not Sahaja Yoga�. I have looked for this quote, Jagbir. I posted it long ago and now cannot find it. But it is the truth. We are to seek the Divine Mother Within and follow Her, not Sahaja Yoga. We become the Sahaja Yoga, if you will. We become that Spontaneous Union with the Divine, only by following the Divine Mother, Holy Spirit/Comforter within.]
�Jagbir you have proven to be very good at pinpointing where to look and find, what is the message, what is the revelation.�
[Yes, but Jagbir also had to leave the organization to do so. And they tried to shut Jagbir�s site down. Jagbir had the law on his side and defeated that attempt, because Shri Mataji gave Her Children the rights to declare Her Message to the world.]
This is just an idea that needs input and development.
[Can you see now that you cannot develop the idea the way you thought may be possible? It is a battle between spiritual light and spiritual darkness and if you come under the jurisdiction of the darkness, the deceivers, you cannot work for the Light, the Truth, under those conditions, as evidenced by The AUM initiative. This is not a spiritual game we are playing around with. We are the modern-day Gnostics who are out to win this time around � and we will do so. We have actually been going on for a long time now � for years.]
�As stands right now I have distanced myself from the collective, both because I was getting frustrated for my lack of advancement and because of my husband's health serious problems. I still meet weekly for deep meditation in a small group at a yogini's home. I used to run a weekly class for years and I am confident that people will follow if I were to start again. Lots of people came and left, lots of them because there were no spiritual advancement to be seen after the first experience of awakening the Kundalini and as I see it because we were not truthful.�
[Why don�t you do what Shri Mataji suggested at Guru Puja 2008 and form your own organization? You can just meet with a few as you like, especially with new people and you have all the knowledge from the adishakti site available for you and none of the restrictions like the AUM initiative. You will be much better off, I assure you. And we can help along with any queries they have too, and help you that way.]
October 13, 2017
Yahoo forum post # 17779
Thank you for answering. I also read Jagbir's The eternal life that Jesus offers believers is one that is like Jesus' own life' 6 hours ago
I am at this moment trying to absorb it all. Will go to meditate now.
That Cross is very heavy and few can even lift it in the first place
October 14, 2017
Yahoo forum post # 18780
Dear Pamela and all,
Sahaja Yogis have since the 1970s met Shri Mataji and have been always telling each other so. This is what they believe and tell the public:
"Sahaja Yoga is a unique method of meditation based on an experience called Self Realization (Kundalini awakening) that can occur within each human being. Through this process an inner transformation takes place by which one becomes moral, united, integrated and balanced. One can actually feel the all pervading divine power as a cool breeze, as described in all religions and spiritual traditions of the world. This is the actualization of such transformation, which is taking place now, worldwide, and has been proved and experienced by hundreds of thousands in over 90 countries. It is entirely free of charge, as one cannot pay for the experience of Divine Love."
The above is taken from the official SY website. What truly is shocking is the dearth of information for the public to read. The site is mainly about upcoming pujas and other events! Is that all that the best brains and elite of Sahaja Yoga can convey of their beloved Shri Mataji?
Then came the AUM Initiative of 2012 and there are no words to describe this betrayal and 'stabbing' the back of Shri Mataji. It was officially proclaimed to all SYs and those guidelines have been followed by the majority, including the ones that are "truly seekers and good hearten".
Yes, all these good, true, compassionate, intelligent, respected, friendly, won't-hurt-a-fly seekers agreed and accepted the AUM initiative. Yes, they all agreed that Shri Mataji be 'stabbed' ................... and now are happily meditating. How wonderful these true and good-hearted seekers are ................... my eyes are welling up and I am almost about to cry.
So Pamela, either you can console yourself with the "true, good-hearted seekers' and their subtle system-energy approach or carry the Cross of Christ (Resurrection, Last Judgment, Paraclete, declare and preach the Good News of the Kingdom to all people and nations).
That Cross is very heavy and few can even lift it in the first place .......................................... and fewer still are there who can then walk the distance. Are you one of them?
"This Gospel of the Kingdom Shall Be Preached"
by David C. Grabbe: Forerunner, "Prophecy Watch," May-June 2011
Matthew 24:14 has been one of the most-quoted scriptures during the last few decades of the church of God: "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
As we know, the Feast of Tabernacles pictures the Millennium, which is the fulfillment of the gospel of the Kingdom of God. By the time Jesus Christ returns, the good news of His Kingdom will have been preached, and the end of the present age will have come. Everyone on earth will have heard that message, and some will have repented while others will have been destroyed. But the Kingdom that has been anticipated for thousands of years will finally be a reality.
This verse is frequently interpreted as a command�or at least used to justify a certain course of action�but the plain fact is that it is a prophecy. It is a statement of a definitive future event, rather than an instruction.
Consider for a moment what this prophecy does not say. There is no mention, either in the verse or in its context, of who will have done this preaching. It does not say whether one individual will preach it or two individuals, one organization, seven organizations, or an angel. This verse just says it will be done.
Matthew 24:14 also does not tell us the time involved in preaching the gospel, except to say that it happens before the end. It does not indicate whether it is preached over the course of several decades, or whether it takes 42 months, or whether there is a singular announcement that all the world hears at the same time through some form of mass media.
This verse also says nothing about how this preaching will be accomplished. There is no mention of television stations, radio programs, websites, Internet streams, or any other technology. The verse simply says that it will be done. Only God knows exactly how it will be fulfilled.
https://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/PW/k/1526/Gospel-of-Kingdom-Shall-Be-Preached.htm (Retrieved 2017-10-14)
October 14, 2017
Yahoo forum post # 18781
Dear Jagbir and Violet:
That Cross is very heavy and few can even lift it in the first place .......................................... and fewer still are there who can then walk the distance. Are you one of them?
Jagbir when I entered the path so many years ago I understood that God will take priority at every moment in my life, like you said 24/7. I came to Sahaja Yoga because of the Paraclete, I already explained why I do not consider myself a Sahaja yogini anymore. Now that I found this forum I am meditating in the Divine Mother unlimited all pervading, no pictures and is Her I am walking towards. Do I think in hardship or distance? I do not. If for me to be part or adishakti.org I need to severe all my ties to the yogis/yoginis I meditate with, I will.
October 15, 2017
Yahoo forum post # 18782
Dear Pamela and all,
You should not severe ties with SYs, or anybody else.
But you MUST declare and emphasize to them that Shri Mataji used the platform of Sahaja Yoga to declare Her gospel of the Resurrection and Last Judgment. You MUST tell them that Shri Mataji is the Paraclete and Her Message is exclusively about the Kingdom of God, rebirth by the Holy Spirit, Resurrection, and life eternal. You MUST make them tell all nations about that Message of the Paraclete, one that She always proclaimed openly at public programs.
You can only do so by remaining in the collective.
A day may come where they may shun you and refuse to declare the Good News. If that day comes, and I hope not, then you MUST carry that Cross on your own and walk the rest of the way ........................... alone, as I do.
If you have to walk alone and continue declaring the Good News sooner or later a crowd will follow you. By that time the tiny mustard seed would have become a great tree where the birds destined for the heavens will find rest and refuge. You will be doing precisely what Shri Mataji told us to do at Her farewell Guru Puja speech of 2008. You will be doing exactly what the Paraclete and Jesus did.
But above all, you will be doing greater deeds than the Savior - you will be bringing men to salvation and life eternal. This end justifies all you may have to endure, including giving up all the SYs. Then you will know that you carried the Cross all the way, and that merely lifting it (paying lip service) was the easiest part.
SYs do not even pay lip service and the AUM Initiative is evidence of this blasphemy and crime against humanity. If all attempts to bring them around fails, then leaving would be a blessing! Till then remain and meditate with them as you always had. Wishing you all the best in your collective.
Note: And Pamela, if you are successful in making your collective agree that they should begin declaring the Message of the Resurrection to all new seekers that would be a first in SY history. Not a single collective has done so till date. To make a SY collective do so would be the best thing that has happened to humanity since the opening of the Sahasrara (Kingdom of God) May 5, 1970.
And declaring that Message is not following Jagbir or Violet or Shruti or anyone else, as the SY leadership has said so in order to stop others from doing so. It has been their convenient excuse for not doing the same, or making those under their control leave and follow anyone doing so.
Pamela, you may meet resistance along those lines. So you have to convince them that it is the Message of Shri Mataji, not individuals like me whom the SY leadership have used as a scapegoat. (See appended March 2006 message #18141)
i do not own that Message. All I have done is to find and gather scriptural evidence to support the Good News of the Paraclete. Does the collection of that evidence make me a loose cannon? Absolutely not!
But that is what the SY leaders have been telling Her disciples ever since 1994 when I joined. Those seven years in SY for me were the worst times in my life. The entire SY leadership got together and used all type of lies and character assassination to stop others from announcing the Message of the Paraclete. They just could not allow a late outsider threaten their perched position high up the totem-pole where they resided and basked in the glory of reflected Glory (of the Adi Shakti Shri Mataji). For them, the SYSSR was their brainstorming best and any suggestion or deviation from that rigidity was met with immediate resistance and banishment to the outer fringes of the collective.
So I wish you all the best in your desire to bring change from within. I fully agree with that approach. But I would caution you to first outline and then think over your approach. Do take your time and plan it properly.
There is indeed a good chance that you may succeed since the WCASY leadership has been defanged since 2008 ....................... and then castrated, for good measure. A number of them have died from horrible diseases. In short, they are done and are now limping on crutches into the sunset.
Yes, SYs are collectively engaged in a blatant and celebrated collective corruption of a most sacred secret!
June 21, 2009
Yahoo forum post # 10987
(Dear Violet, thank you for posting ever more evidence that will slowly but surely destroy WCASY, the SY organization and those SYSSR SYs collectively engaged in a blatant and celebrated collective corruption of a most sacred secret! Yet again I assure all that its demise is well on the way, and nothing will reverse its self- destruction! It is indeed a blessing to prevent this negativity from editing and deleting the core esoteric teachings of Shri Mataji and priceless esoteric revelations of the Devi for human enlightenment and emancipation.)
The Second Birth of Man--In Spirit - Part 2
(Dialogue with Nicodemus, Part I)
True religion is founded upon intuitional perception of the Transcendental Reality
All bona fide revealed religions of the world are based on intuitive knowledge. Each has an exoteric or outer particularity, and an esoteric or inner core. The exoteric aspect is the public image, and includes moral precepts and a body of doctrines, dogmas, dissertations, rules, and customs to guide the general populace of its followers. The esoteric aspect includes methods that focus on actual communion of the soul with God. The exoteric aspect is for the many; the esoteric is for the ardent few. It is the esoteric aspect of religion that leads to intuition, the firsthand knowledge of Reality.
The lofty 'Sanatana Dharma' of the Vedic philosophy of ancient India— summarized in the Upanishads and in the six classical systems of metaphysical knowledge, and peerlessly encapsulated in the Bhagavad Gita—is based on intuitional perception of the Transcendental Reality, Buddhism, with its various methods of controlling the mind and gaining depth in meditation, advocates intuitive knowledge to realize the transcendence of 'nirvana'. Sufism in Islam anchors on the intuitive mystical experience of the soul.  Within the Jewish religion are esoteric teachings based on inner experience of the Divine, evidenced abundantly in the legacy of the God-illumined Biblical prophets. Christ's teachings are fully expressive of that realization. The apostle John's Revelation is a remarkable disclosure of the soul's intuitional perception of deepest truths garbed in metaphor.
The elite traditions of Western philosophy and metaphysics laud the intuitional knowing power of the soul. The Greek mystic, philosopher, and mathematician Pythagoras (born c. 580 B.C.) emphasized inner experience of intuitive knowledge. Plato (born c. 428 B.C.), whose works have come down to us as a primary foundation of Western civilization, likewise taught the necessity for supersensory knowledge to apprehend eternal truths. The Neoplatonist sage Plotinus (A.D. 204-270) practiced Plato's ideal of intuitional knowing of Reality: "Often I have woken to myself out of the body, become detached from all else and entered into myself," he wrote, "and I have seen beauty of surpassing greatness, and have felt assured that then especially I belonged to the higher reality, engaged in the noblest life and identified with the Divine."  He died exhorting his disciples "Strive to bring back the god in yourselves to the God in the All." 
The Gnostics (first three centuries A.D.); the early Church fathers such as Origen and Augustine; great Christian luminaries such as Johannes Scotus Erigena (810-877) and Saint Anselm (1033-1109); the monastic orders founded by Saint Bernard of Clairvaux (1091-1153) and Hugh, Richard, and Walter of Saint Victor (twelfth century)—all practiced intuitive contemplation of God.
Illumined Christian mystics of medieval times—Saint Thomas Aquinas (1224-1275); Saint Bonaventure (1217-1274); Jan van Ruysbroeck (1293- 1381); Meister Eckhart (1260-1327); Henry Suso (1295-1366); Johannes Tauler (1300-1361); Gerhard Groote (1340-1384); Thomas a Kempis (1380- 1471), author of 'The Imitation of Christ'; Jacob Boehme (1575-1624)— sought and received ultimate knowledge through the light of intuition . (p.242) Christian saints through the centuries—Juliana of Norwich, Hildegard of Bingen, Catherine of Siena, Teresa of Avila, and many more known and unknown—partook of soul intuition in their attainment of divine realization and mystical union with God.
British poets such as Wordsworth, Coleridge, Blake, Traherne, and Pope aspired to intuit and write about the all-pervading Spirit. Emerson (1802-1882) and other American Transcendentalists sought personal experience of immanent spiritual reality through intuition. The German Idealist philosophers Hamann (1730-1788), Herder (1744- 1803), Jacobi (1743-1819), Schiller (1759-1805), and Schopenhauer (1788-1860) emphasized it; and the great modern French philosopher Bergson calls intuition the only faculty capable of knowing the ultimate nature of things. 
Paramahansa Yogananda, The Second Coming of Christ (The Resurrection of the Christ Within You), Volume 1, Discourse 13, pg. 240-242
 See Paramahansa Yogananda's 'Wine of the Mystic: The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam'—A Spiritual Interpretation' (published by Self- Realization Fellowship).
 'Enneads', iv. 8.
 Porphyry, 'Life of Plotinus 2'.
 "Let no one suppose," says the 'Theologia Germanica', "that we may attain to this true light and perfect knowledge...by hearsay, or by reading and study, nor yet by high skill and great learning." "It is not enough," says Gerlac Petersen, "to know by estimation merely: but we must know by experience." So Mechthild of Magdeburg says of her revelations, "The writing of this book was seen, heard, and experienced in every limb....I see it with the eyes of my soul, and hear it with the ears of my eternal spirit."—quoted in 'Mysticism', by Evelyn Underhill, Part I, Chapter 4.
 An overview of exponents of intuitional experience in Christianity may be found in 'The Presence of God: A History of Western Christian Mysticism', three volumes, by Bernard McGinn (New York: Crossroad, 1991). ('Publisher's Note')
"One of these documents [found at Nag Hammadi] begins with the scribal note in the margin, "The Gospel According to Thomas." And the first sentence of that document says, "These are the secret words which the living Jesus taught and which Judas Thomas Didymos wrote down." And then they start a total of over 110 sayings, each introduced by "Jesus said...."...
Now what is typical about these sayings is that in each instance, these sayings want to say that if you want to understand what Jesus said, you have to recognize yourself. You have to know yourself, know who you are. It begins with a saying about the Kingdom of God, "if you seek the Kingdom of God in the sky then the birds will precede you. And if you seek it in the sea, then the fish will precede you, but the Kingdom is in you. And if you know yourself then you know the Kingdom of God." (The Kingdom of the Father, in fact, it always says in the gospel of Thomas. Normally the Kingdom of the Father, not the Kingdom of God.) "But if you don't know yourself, you live in poverty." And poverty is understood as the ignorance of a life in its physical existence. Knowledge is understood to be the knowledge of one's divine origin, of the fact that one has come from the Kingdom. That we are on this earth only in a sojourn...
What does it mean really to know oneself? To know oneself is to have insight into one's own ultimate divine identity. You can go back to understand this to Greek models, which certainly exist. "Know yourself" is a very old Greek maxim... that is, you have to know that your own soul is divine, and then you know that you are immortal, whereas the body is the mortal part of human existence. Now this is radicalized in the Gospel of Thomas into saying that everything that is experienced physically and through sense perception, everything in this world that you can perceive in this way is nothing. It is, at best, chaos and, at worst, it doesn't even exist in reality. The only thing that really exists is your divine spirit or your divine soul, which is identical in its quality with God himself. And Jesus is the one who teaches that...
[When one truly knows oneself], one understands that one is divine, but also one understands that one is mortal. In such a way, you recognize that this mortality is really meaningless, as physical existence is meaningless. And therefore, death is no longer a problem, but death is a solution, because in death finally all this mortality will fall away, and the true self will be liberated to an independent existence that's no longer dependent on physical existence. And on everything that goes with physical existence, sickness and poverty and so on. And so physical existence is often described as poverty. But when you know yourself you are no longer in poverty."
Helmut Koester, PBS and WGBH/FRONTLINE, 1998
(Helmut Koester: John H. Morison Professor of New Testament Studies and Winn Professor of Ecclesiastical History Harvard Divinity School)
"The verses repeatedly stress that "the Kingdom" is within us and not, as the Church has insisted, in the heavens barred to the "sinner" by Saint Peter. One reason for the Church's vehement opposition to the Thomas gospel was the inclusion of Jesus' repeated warning to us not to entrust our spiritual development and well-being to others, be they priests, politicians or prophets."
Paul Roland, Revelation: Wisdom of the Ages
Ulysses Press, 1995, p. 51.
Note: There is little difference between the above repeated warning by Jesus and mine below i.e., do not entrust your spiritual development and well-being to others, be they WCASY priests, politicians like Sir C.P. or Kalki prophets named Ishmael and Richard Embleton. And if I have to repeat this warning hundreds of times over the years I will most willingly. It is indeed a blessing to enjoy the solitude of a clear conscience than the collective joy of liars, fools and hypocrites. Period!
A blatant and celebrated corruption of a most sacred secret!
Yahoo forum post # 10987
All I can say is that if you want to achieve Self-realization you will have to completely discard the SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion). You absolutely need no external ritual/innovation/image but only Silence on Self to attain this most important goal of life, a goal that many great philosophers, thinkers, sages, gurus, messengers and Holy Scriptures have collectively proclaimed:
Silence on Self (read it regularly till in Silence you realize your Self)
...... one that Shri Mataji spent more that 30 years doing so also.
The Self-realization that most SYs preach to/discuss with others is an insult to intelligence, and if you add all their catches and cleansing rituals .......... a blatant and celebrated corruption of a most sacred secret!
i give just the tip of this SYSSR iceberg - after decades Shri Mataji finally told SYs during the recent 2008 Guru Puja that realization of Self should not be from Her photograph! It was a statement that went against all that SYs had so religiously believed all their lives (and will still do despite Her saying otherwise). Few could believe their ears. Even less understood that Shri Mataji was in fact telling them to discard the most sacred cow of Sahaja Yoga - Her photograph!
Remember how WCASY members like Alan Wherry and Viktor Bondar, their henchmen John Noyce/Edward Saugstad, and other SYs went delirious with joy years ago when I insisted on this forum that we must not, and need not meditate on Her photograph for Self-realization (which was so conviniently interpreted by WCASY as going against Shri Mataji!!!)
"This is a forwarded message
From: Viktor Bondar
To: "Yura" < inspired@...>
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:23:59 +0200
Subject: Fw: Hi Viktor
John Noyce of Australia has been keeping a close eye on the activities of the owner of www.adishakti.org, who used to be in SY but clearly isn't a Sahaja Yogi now, and is openly critical of all Sahaja leadership, including, at times Shri Mataji Herself.
He is somewhat eccentric and for example, advocates not using a photo of Mother when meditating, not footsoaking etc. The owner of this site, one Jagbir Singh of Canada is on a crusade to spread his own eccentric, supraconscious view of what Sahaja Yoga is, and where possible we should advise people not to go there - although of course, individuals are free to do what they like.
John tells me that the web site http://inspired.kiev.ua/about/ links to www.adishakti.org
Obviously, I don't know the owner of that web site, Yuriy Linnyk, whether he is Sahaj or not, but in the event that he is known to you, is it possible that you might prevail upon him to remove the link as it contains much erroneous and inaccurate information. Yuriy lists adishakti.org before the official Sahaj Yoga website.
Much love and best wishes
Jai Shri Mataji" (end)
My comprehension of Self-realization was rejected as blasphemous and there was unrestrained joy in so many collectives worldwide over my unforgiveable error of judgment. There were collective celebrations because at last SY leaders had proof that this blasphemy reflected the supraconsious nonsense I have written of Kash, Arwinder and Lalita at www.adishakti.org (even though Shri Mataji had over the years always, and repeatedly, approved the evidence these three siblings had given to prove that She is that - the Adi Shakti).
As I said, this is just the tip of the SYSSR iceberg. You will know that there is much more nonsense than just giving self-realization to bicycles and cats, forbidding women from wearing trousers, engaging in matka marathons, or staying indoors for 24 hours to escape from the Doors of Hell that open every Diwali.
It insults my intelligence even to write this post because I have to tell so-called self-realized souls, already diseased by the SYSSR mindset, that until and unless they completely discard all their external rituals/innovations/images and learn how to maintain Silence on Self, they are far, far away from the goal of Self- realization. And I mean far, far, far away!
Yes, SYs are collectively engaged in a blatant and celebrated collective corruption of a most sacred secret! Modern seekers are just too savvy and well-informed to follow such fools. The Sahaja Yoga organization is reaping the harvest of their SYSSR, seeds of ritual and corruption so lovingly and collectively sowed many years ago.
It may be challenged that how can so many be misled for so long by so few. The answer is that if you are neither conscious nor conscientious of following the true teachings of Shri Mataji in all its entirety, you will follow those who have corrupted it. It is as simple as that!
regards to all,
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