"Have You Seen This Person?"

On September 24, 1996, at 6:40 p.m., after having performed aarti, Arwinder was shown the black and white photograph of Shri Jesus Christ as described by Shri Mataji. This particular photograph, shown to him for the first time, is on page 128 of the Sahaja Yoga Mantra Book (Second Edition [Revised] 1992). Before this he had already identified that the figure in page one of the Mormon Bible, The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ, as that of Lord Jesus.

Lord Jesus Christ of Mormon Bible

Image of Jesus Christ in Mormon Bible

Kash's younger brother Arwinder has since the age of five met the messengers of God hundreds of times in the Kingdom of God (Sahasrara Chakra) within. Among these Divine Beings was Lord Jesus Christ.

A few years later on July 10 1998 at 3:50 p.m., after he had returned from Victor-Thérien school, Arwinder was shown the color photograph of Lord Jesus from the Mormon Bible (see image above)

This particular photograph of Lord Jesus is on the first page of The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Salt Lake City, Utah, USA, 6/94). Two young Mormon Christians, Elder Carpenter and Walter, gave this Bible to his father in 1995 while on house visits. They were operating from 570 Apt. 104, 33rd Avenue, Lachine, Montreal (Tel: [514] 634-4693). At the time of writing other Mormons had replaced them but the address remains the same.

After Arwinder had a good look at Lord Jesus he was questioned.

Question: "Have you seen this person?"

(Arwinder remains silent for a few seconds as he observes the face.)

                "Did you see this man?"

Arwinder: "Yes, but I don't know his name."

Question: "Where did you see Him?"

Arwinder: "In my meditation."

Question: "Was it with Shri Mataji?"

Arwinder: "Yes."

Question: "Arwinder, this man, His name is Jesus Christ.

               Is He big-sized or small-sized?"

(Arwinder was all the while shown the Mormon bible photograph clearly showing an average-sized Christ.)

Arwinder: "Big-size."

(Despite photographic evidence right before him to the contrary Arwinder still replied that Lord Jesus was big- sized!)

Question: "What color dress does He normally wear?"

Arwinder: "Let me think."

(He closed his eyes for a few seconds before replying.)

                "White"

Question: "How long is the dress? until here? the knees? or down here?"

(He was pointed to the waist, knees, and ankles.)

Arwinder: "Down here"

(He pointed to and held his ankles)

Question: "Arwinder, did you talk to him?"

Arwinder: "Yes."

Question: "What did you talk to Him?"

Arwinder: "I don't know. I forgot. Some I forgot."

Question: "What language did Lord Jesus Christ talk with you?"

(He did not understand what "language" meant and was explained so.)

Arwinder: "Like how I talk." (i.e., in English.)

Question: "What language did He talk with the others."

Arwinder: "Different."

Question: "What you mean 'different'?"

Arwinder: "Like Punjabi."

(This probably is Sanskrit as Arwinder, having heard Punjabi spoken at home and which he does not understand, thought it to be similar.)

The fact that Shri Jesus spoke with the other Divine Beings in Sanskrit will profoundly enlighten those who contemplate in silence the sheer depth of this Revelation. And Lord Jesus claimed He existed even before Abraham, which His fellow Jews did not take lightly.

Then said the Jews unto him, thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Jesus said unto them: Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am.
Then they took up stones to cast at him. ( John 8: 57-9)

According to Shri Mataji Jesus was already existing eons ago at the very beginning of Creation itself. Spiritual history is far ancient than the billions of years it took for this Earth to come to its present form. It is the endless birth and dissolution of universes that constitutes Time.

So how old is the Universal Savior? Why is He witnessed mingling with Shri Ganesha, Rama, Krishna, Shiva, Brahma, Vishnu and others, extremely ancient Vedic Supreme Beings who have been existing since the Dawn of Creation?

"All the religions teach us that There is only One God and no other besides him. In the Holy Qur'aan, (2:163), Allaah, the God says: " And your God is one God; there is no God except Him, The Beneficent, The Merciful. " And in Christianity, the very first commandment as per Deuteronomy 6:4 of the Old Testament of the Holy Bible, is: " Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is One Lord." And in the New Testament of the Bible, Jesus (peace be upon him), repeats it in Mark 12:29, by way of an answer to a question: "The first of all the commandments is: Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is One Lord."

Hindu scriptures are quoted to say: " Ekam Braham Dwithiya Naasthay." (There is one God, no second.) then adding emphatically: "Nay-ha Naa; Naasthay Kinchan." (No; None; Not even a little.) Another sanskrit quote from a Hindu scripture: " Ekam Yevam a-dwithiyam." (He is one; without a second.) Veda is quoted to say: "Ekam Sat; Vipra bahuda vadanti." (That which exists is One, sages call it by different names.) A South-Indian (Tamil language) adage says: "Onray kulam; oruvanay daywan." (Only one race; Only one God.)

All the major religions, therefore, include the important fact: THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, NONE BESIDES HIM. Yet, transgressors have, down the ages, tried to conceal or dilute this supreme fact in many ways, to serve their own purposes." ²

"At the present moment all religions contain a mixture of truth, which is divine, and error which is human. The fundamentals or essentials of all religions are the same. There is difference only in the non-essentials. The apparent differences in religions are due to a misconception or misconstruction of the long-forgotten truth of the Vedas on which they are ultimately founded. All systems of religion are equally divine and true. The conflicting points are all due to misconception and misconstruction of truths on account of prejudice, bigotry, lack of purity of heart and subtlety and purity of intellect, and perverted condition of the intellect of people.

The great majority of religions had their origin in prehistoric times. Hence there are no genuine documents or trustworthy traditions concerning them.

All prophets are messengers of God. They are great Yogins and realized souls, who have had divine, intuitive perception of God. Their words are infallible and sacred. The Koran or the Zend-Avesta or the Bible is as much a sacred book as the Bhagavad-Gita. All contain the essence of divine wisdom. Ahuramazda, Isvara, Allah, Jehovah are different names for one God.

Truth is neither Hindu nor Muslim, nor Buddhist nor Christian! Truth is one, homogeneous, eternal substance. The follower of the religion of Truth walks on the path of light, peace, wisdom, power and bliss." ³

Jesus Christ as existing in Kingdom of God

Correct image of Shri Jesus Christ
existing in the Kingdom of God
according to Shri Mataji, Kashwinder,
Arwinder and Lalita.

On September 24, 1996, at 6:40 p.m., after having performed aarti, Arwinder was shown the black and white photograph of Shri Jesus Christ as described by Shri Mataji (left).

This particular photograph, shown to him for the first time, is on page 128 of the Sahaja Yoga Mantra Book (Second Edition [Revised] 1992). Before this he had already identified that the figure in page one of the Mormon Bible, The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ, as that of Lord Jesus. (see photo on top of page)

These questions were then put forward:

Question: "Have you seen this man before? Do you recognize his face?"

Arwinder: "Yes, in my meditation."

Question: "Arwinder, are these two people the same or different?"

Arwinder: "The same."

It has to be pointed out that there are fundamental differences between the two photographs of Jesus: built, height, skin color, facial features posture and dress. Even an adult would have some difficulty discerning and believing that both photographs are that of the same person. Besides, there is the natural difference between a color and black & white photograph.

Despite these handicaps Arwinder said that they were of the same person that he saw in his Sahasrara.

TIME portrait of Jesus Christ

On February 1, 1997, at 10:35 a.m. Arwinder was shown the front page of the December 16, 1996, TIME magazine that had the picture of Shri Jesus and the cover story Jesus OnLine (left).

This time Arwinder was not sure if he had seen that face anywhere. When reminded that it was that of Shri Jesus he said no, that's not the face of Jesus. Kash, who was sitting nearby and following the discussion, intervened and told his father that the picture on TIME magazine was not that of Shri Jesus, and that was why Arwinder was saying so. Both, when shown the photo of Shri Christ in the Mormon Bible, agreed that it was that of Shri Jesus.

Twenty centuries after the birth of Lord Jesus the Church is still unable to even render His face correctly, despite the greatest Renaissance artistic talents. Not a single pope or ayatollah or dalai lama has ever met Him. Yet children, born again of the Spirit within, visit the Savior almost daily in the Kingdom of God within their own being.

These experiences remind organized religions of their severe limitations in ascertaining Truth — Truth with a capital T. This also reflects the utter spiritual bankruptcy of all religious regimes and their destined destruction in this century as increasing numbers flee them to seek the Kingdom of God within themselves.

But the most frightful are the poor Christian souls seeking salvation in churches, and knowing next to nothing about the Kingdom of God and the Last Judgment.

According to Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (Interdicasterial Commission of the Catholic Church) "baptism gives us the grace of new birth in God the Father, through his Son, in the Holy Spirit. For those who bear God’s Spirit are led to the Word, that is, to the Son, and the Son presents them to the Father, and the Father confers incorruptibility on them. And it is impossible to see God’s Son without the Spirit, and no one can approach the Father without the Son, for the knowledge of the Father is the Son, and the knowledge of God’s Son is obtained through the Holy Spirit." ⁴

The children of the Holy Spirit Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, through genuine baptism (kundalini awakening), are able to visit Lord Jesus Christ in the Kingdom of God within. Hundreds and thousands of these mystical experiences that are far superior than the beatific visions of Catholic saints.

So how is this possible?

“Verses repeatedly stress that "the Kingdom" is within us — and not, as the Church has insisted, in the heavens barred to the "sinner" by Saint Peter. One reason for the Church’s vehement opposition to the Thomas gospel was the inclusion of Jesus’ repeated warning to us not to entrust our spiritual development and well-being to others, be they priests, politicians or prophets.” ⁵

With the coming of the Comforter as promised by Jesus and prophesied in the Bible it is now possible to enter the Kingdom within:

Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou will manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: . . .
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,
Shall teach you all things, and bring you all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said to you. (John 14:22-26)

So what do Christians understand by the biblical Kingdom of God, especially as narrated by the Gospel of Thomas?

According to the renowned historian Elaine H. Pagels the Gospel of Thomas "does not tell the story about the life and death of Jesus, but offers the reader his ‘secret teachings’ about the kingdom of God.

This book opens with the lines, "These are the secret words which the living Jesus spoke, and the twin, Didymos Judas Thomas wrote them down." Then there follows a list of the sayings of Jesus. ... Some of these sayings are familiar. We know them from Matthew and Luke — Jesus said, "I have come to cast fire on the earth." Or "Behold, a sower went out to sow," and so forth.... Others are as strange and compelling as Zen koans. My favorite of these is saying number 70, which says, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you." The gospel opens as Jesus invites people to see....

The Gospel of Thomas also suggests that Jesus is aware of, and criticizing the views of the Kingdom of God as a time or a place that appear in the other gospels. Here Jesus says, "If those who lead you say to you, "look, the Kingdom is in the sky," then the birds will get there first. If they say "it's in the ocean," then the fish will get there first. But the Kingdom of God is within you and outside of you. Once you come to know yourselves, you will become known. And you will know that it is you who are the children of the living father."

In this gospel, and this is also the case in the Gospel of Luke, the Kingdom of God is not an event that's going to be catastrophically shattering the world as we know it and ushering in a new millennium. Here, as in Luke 17:20, the Kingdom of God is said to be an interior state; "It's within you," Luke says. And here it says, "It's inside you but it's also outside of you." It's like a state of consciousness. It's hard to describe. But the Kingdom of God here is something that you can enter when you attain gnosis, which means knowledge. But it doesn't mean intellectual knowledge. The Greeks had two words for knowledge. One is intellectual knowledge, like the knowledge of physics or something like that. But this gnosis is personal, like "I know that person, or do you know so and so." So this gnosis is self-knowledge; you could call it insight. It's a question of knowing who you really are, not at the ordinary level of your name and your social class or your position. But knowing yourself at a deep level. The secret of gnosis is that when you know yourself at that level you will also come to know God, because you will discover that the divine is within you." ⁶

According to the Church the "divine plan of Revelation is realized simultaneously "by deeds and words which are intrinsically bound up with each other" and shed light on each other. It involves a specific divine pedagogy: God communicates himself to man gradually. He prepares him to welcome by stages the supernatural Revelation that is to culminate in the person and mission of the incarnate Word, Jesus Christ." ⁷

The divine plan of Revelation prior to the culmination in the person and mission of Jesus Christ's Second Coming is to enter the Kingdom within and live righteously during this Age of the Last Judgment.

In Dr. Jay Grimstead's own words "the Kingdom of God, however guaranteed in the promises of the Father and embodied in the person of Christ, can never gain entrance or come to full realization in the fabric of human life apart from the agency of the Holy Spirit, who is indispensable to insure Kingdom entrance, to seal Kingdom membership, to implement Kingdom obedience, to build Kingdom character, to furnish Kingdom gifts, to empower to Kingdom outreach, to produce Kingdom growth, and secure Kingdom victory."

QUOTES OF SHRI MATAJI

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

“In between Christ and His destroying incarnation of Mahavishnu called as Kalki, there is a time given to human beings to rectify themselves, for them to enter in the Kingdom of God, which in the Bible is called as the Last Judgment — that you will be judged, all of you will be judged on this Earth.”

Sri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Bombay, India — Sep. 28, 1979

ADDITIONAL QUOTES

"When a group of strangers came up to the disciples, they expressed a desire that would be felt by millions upon millions of people ever since. Speaking to Philip they asked: "Sir, we wish to see Jesus." That is the same question that has motivated Christians across these millennium. It's the question that has inspired artists from Michelangelo to Dali; it has been the driving force behind works of scholarship and literature; it touches us as we reflect upon the importance of Jesus Christ for our lives. "Sir, we wish to see Jesus." There's something in us that will not rest until we have a clearer picture of the one Christians revere as the very Son of God. Biblical affirmations, theological statements, creeds and sermons, however effective, still leave us with that elementary desire. We'd like to have a sharper image and a closer knowledge of this man whom we call the Savior of the world. Fortunately, today, on the Internet, there is a profusion of images and artwork which provide us with plenty of material to look at as we pursue this age-old question.

As there were no cameras at the time of Christ, as there were no Polaroids, no Nikons, and certainly no video cassette recorders, we'll have to rely upon the imagination of the artists to render an image of what he must have looked like.

These mixed reactions immediately show us the difficulty and the complexity involved in any attempt to respond to that age old desire to have a clearer picture of Jesus. This is a problem made all the more difficult because the New Testament contains no physical description of Jesus, the gospel narratives don't even tell us much about his personality. During the first several hundred years of church history, people did not even try to render Jesus visually. The early Christian paintings or symbols, were of things like ships, fish, sea shells, and other symbolic objects. The first efforts to picture Jesus directly seem to have been Byzantine, meaning that they were done within that branch of the early Christian movement that centered around the city of Byzantia, the Turkish Capital, once Constantinople, now Istanbul. Many of them were mosaics completed in the third or fourth centuries, well after all the people who had known Jesus personally were long deceased....

Thus it is a long way from this earliest tradition in which Jesus was said to possess little physical beauty to contemporary images of Christ which are intended to appeal to the eye. And as the Christian movement spread from its origins in the Greco-Roman world, artists around the world have always painted the image of Christ as they saw him in their imaginations. To people of the Far East, he was oriental. To the Indians, Indian. To the Africans, he was black."

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"So it needs to be clearly said that the God presence of this Jesus will lead us ultimately beyond every religious definition. Indeed, it will lead beyond Jesus himself. That becomes essential to human development whenever our idolatrous convictions identify the messenger of God with God. So the Ground of Being will finally be worshipped apart from any system of religious thought. It is a startling but real insight into the future of worship.

I believe in that gift of the Spirit who was called "the giver of life." Once we located God only externally, and called this God the Father Almighty. Next, we located this God in Jesus, and we called him the Son Incarnate. Now we locate God in every person, and we call this God the Holy Spirit. I believe that this Spirit inevitably creates a community of faith that will come, in time, to open this world to God as the very Ground of its life and Being. . . .

Religion is, therefore, not what we have always thought it to be. Religion is not a system of belief. It is not a catalogue of revealed truth. It is not an activity designed to control behavior, to reward virtue, and to punish vice. Religion is, rather, a human attempt to process the God experience, which breaks forth from our own depths and wells up constantly within us. We must lay down, therefore, the primitive claims we have made for our religious traditions. None of them is drawn from outworldly revelations. None of them is inerrant or infallible. None of them represents the only way to God. None of them can be used legitimately to coerce or compel another to belief. All evangelical and missionary activities designed to convert the heathen are base born. They are expressions of our sense of superiority and our hostility toward those who are different. The only divine mission in life that the Church of the future could possibly have is to open people to the recognition that the ground of their very being is holy and that when they are in touch with that holy Ground of Being, they can share in God’s creation by giving life, love, and being to others. That is the task of those who claim to be God bearers. The Christians of the world are not here to build institutions, to convert other people, or even to claim that we can speak for God. Those aspects of our religious heritage must be sacrificed as the premodern misunderstandings of our primitive history. We are now exile people."

John Shelby Spong
Why Christianity Must Change Or Die: A Bishop Speaks To Believers In Exile

“There is no physical description of Jesus in the New Testament, nor did his contemporaries leave any record of his appearance. Yet, again, no other individual inspired so many artists to recreate the events of his life. Christianity, it can be said without fear or challenge, claims the world's richest artistic legacy.”

The Story of Jesus

“I. The Last Things — and the Kingdom of God

The areas of discussion and disagreement among Christians over these issues and their consequences are numerous. We will focus on the theme so favored in our days: the last things. In doing so, we will need to look closely at a doctrine that underlies the whole disagreement: the kingdom of God. First, what do we say in our family of the faith?

Eschatology is the branch of theology concerned with the final events in human or world history. The word comes from the Greek adjective eschatos, meaning "last," frequently used in the New Testament (as in II Timothy3:1, "... in the last days there will come times of stress," but also in such familiar usage as Matthew 19:30: "But many that are first will be last, and the last first"). Christianity and many other religions teach about the last things. It is a universal human experience that we come to our own personal end in history. The world, and history as we know it, may or will come to an end also. If so, how? Is there anything beyond that end? How do we know what to expect?

For Christians the central event in history is the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. This event sheds light on what went before: God’s election, covenant and law -- that is, choosing, teaching, and preparing a people for the coming of the One. The present and future are seen in the light of this event also. We have been shown what human beings are called to be. When we glimpse the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ, we glimpse the future God has for us.

Eschatology is used in two ways. We speak of "last" meaning end or purpose (for this the New Testament often used the word telos); and of "last" meaning completion, like the last act of a drama. The biblical purpose, with varying degrees of clarity, is the same in both Testaments: that humanity may dwell in the presence of God, live under the reign of God in peace, justice and love.

Judaism pictured the last act pointing to the Messiah, the day of judgment, and the messianic rule: a perfect and peaceful future. Hope here looks to future fulfillment. . . .

The kingdom that is ushered in by Christ culminates in his cross and resurrection. It does not come by might, but by divine self-giving. Here the meaning of the kingdom is revealed, yet remains a mystery. The kingdom is here because the work of Christ brought it in, yet he taught us to pray, "Your kingdom come." It is here, yet it is to come. The kingdom is bound to its king. The early church hears: "God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified" (Acts 2:36). Christ is king on earth and in heaven. The believer participates in the kingdom through faith in Jesus Christ. But the disclosure of the kingdom for all to see is still in the future, it awaits the end of time and the return of Jesus Christ (Acts 1:11).”

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“Of The Last Judgment

1. The return of our Lord to earth is clearly taught in Scripture. He made many promises to return. His coming will be personal and visible. He will come in glory at a time unknown to man.
Rev. 22:7, 12, 20; John 14:3; Acts 1:11; Rev. 1:7; 1 Thess. 4:16; Matt. 16:27; Col. 3:4; Luke 12:40; Rev. 16:15; Mark 13:32-35; 1 Thess. 5:2.

2. At the time of Christ's second coming all the dead will be raised and the world will be judged.
John 5:28-29; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; Ps. 96:13; Ps. 98:9.

3. We reject the teaching that the Kingdom of God can only be brought in by Christ's return or that Christ is not now reigning as King over all things.
Matt. 28:18; Eph. 1:20-22; Phil. 2:9-11; Col. 1:18.

4. God hath appointed a day, wherein He will judge the world in righteousness, by Jesus Christ, to whom all power and judgment is given of the Father. In which day, not only the apostate angels shall be judged, but likewise all persons that have lived upon earth shall appear before the tribunal of Christ, to give an account of their thoughts, words, and deeds; and to receive according to what they have done in the body, whether good or evil.
Acts 17:31; John 5:22, 27; 1 Cor. 6:3; Jude 1:6; 2 Pet. 2:4; 2 Cor. 5:10; Eccl. 12:14; Rom. 2:16; Rom. 14:10, 12; Matt. 12:36-37.

5. The final judgment for the Christian will be an assessment of his obedience to God and of his stewardship of the gifts and talents God has committed to his care. Whatever is imperfect will be burned away, and his faithfulness will be rewarded.
2 Cor. 5:10; Rom. 14:10-12; 1 Cor. 3:9-15; 1 Cor. 4:5; Matt. 25:14-40.

6. The end of God's appointing this day is for the manifestation of the glory of His mercy, in the eternal salvation of the elect; and of His justice, in the damnation of the reprobate who are wicked and disobedient. For then shall the righteous go into everlasting life, and receive that fulness of joy and refreshing, which shall come from the presence of the Lord: but the wicked, who know not God, and obey not the Gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast into eternal torments, and be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power.
Matt. 25:31-46; Rom. 2:5-6; Rom. 9:22-23; Matt. 25:21; Acts 3:19; 2 Thess. 1:7-10.

7. As Christ would have us to be certainly persuaded that there shall be a day of judgment, both to deter all men from sin, and for the greater consolation of the godly in their adversity; so will He have that day unknown to men, that they may shake off all carnal security, and be always watchful, because they know not at what hour the Lord will come; and may be ever prepared to say, Come, Lord Jesus, come quickly, Amen.
2 Pet. 3:11, 14; 2 Cor. 5:10-11; 2 Thess. 1:5-7; Luke 21:27-28; Rom. 8:23-25; Matt. 24:36, 42-44; Mark 13:35-37; Luke 12:35-36; Rev. 22:20.

8. Believers are to look forward eagerly to the last great day, in which they will share in Christ's final victory over evil and experience the fulness of joy which is found in the presence of God, forever.
2 Pet. 3:11-13; Ps. 16:11.”

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NOTES

1. www.christiany.about.com

2. www.isprin.com

3. Sri Swami Sivananda

4. Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (Interdicasterial Commission), Catechism of the Catholic Church

5. Paul Roland, Revelation: Wisdom of the Ages

6. Elaine H. Pagels, PBS and WGBH/FRONTLINE, 1998

7. Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (Interdicasterial Commission), Catechism of the Catholic Church