"Have You Seen This Person?”

On September 24, 1996, at 6:40 p.m., after having performed aarti, Arwinder was shown the black and white photograph of Shri Jesus Christ as described by Shri Mataji. This particular photograph, shown to him for the first time, is on page 128 of the Sahaja Yoga Mantra Book (Second Edition [Revised] 1992). Before this he had already identified that the figure in page one of the Mormon Bible, The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ, as that of Lord Jesus.

Lord Jesus Christ of Mormon Bible
Image of Jesus Christ in Mormon Bible

Kash's younger brother Arwinder has since the age of five met the messengers of God hundreds of times in the Kingdom of God (Sahasrara Chakra) within. Among these Divine Beings was Lord Jesus Christ.

A few years later on July 10 1998 at 3:50 p.m., after he had returned from Victor-Thérien school, Arwinder was shown the color photograph of Lord Jesus from the Mormon Bible (see image above)

This particular photograph of Lord Jesus is on the first page of The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Salt Lake City, Utah, USA, 6/94). Two young Mormon Christians, Elder Carpenter and Walter, gave this Bible to his father in 1995 while on house visits. They were operating from 570 Apt. 104, 33rd Avenue, Lachine, Montreal (Tel: [514] 634-4693). At the time of writing other Mormons had replaced them but the address remains the same.

After Arwinder had a good look at Lord Jesus he was questioned.

Question: "Have you seen this person?”

(Arwinder remains silent for a few seconds as he observes the face.)

"Did you see this man?”

Arwinder: “Yes, but I don't know his name.”

Question: "Where did you see Him?”

Arwinder: “In my meditation.”

Question: "Was it with Shri Mataji?”

Arwinder: “Yes.”

Question: "Arwinder, this man, His name is Jesus Christ.

Is He big-sized or small-sized?”

(Arwinder was all the while shown the Mormon bible photograph clearly showing an average-sized Christ.)

Arwinder: “Big-size.”

(Despite photographic evidence right before him to the contrary Arwinder still replied that Lord Jesus was big- sized!)

Question: "What color dress does He normally wear?”

Arwinder: “Let me think.”

(He closed his eyes for a few seconds before replying.)


Question: "How long is the dress? until here? the knees? or down here?”

(He was pointed to the waist, knees, and ankles.)

Arwinder: “Down here"

(He pointed to and held his ankles)

Question: "Arwinder, did you talk to him?”

Arwinder: “Yes.”

Question: "What did you talk to Him?”

Arwinder: “I don't know. I forgot. Some I forgot.”

Question: "What language did Lord Jesus Christ talk with you?”

(He did not understand what"language"meant and was explained so.)

Arwinder: “Like how I talk.” (i.e., in English.)

Question: "What language did He talk with the others?”

Arwinder: “Different.”

Question: "What you mean 'different'?”

Arwinder: “Like Punjabi.”

(This probably is Sanskrit as Arwinder, having heard Punjabi spoken at home and which he does not understand, thought it to be similar.)

The fact that Shri Jesus spoke with the other Divine Beings in Sanskrit will profoundly enlighten those who contemplate in silence the sheer depth of this Revelation. And Lord Jesus claimed He existed even before Abraham, which His fellow Jews did not take lightly.

Then said the Jews unto him, thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Jesus said unto them: Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am.
Then they took up stones to cast at him. ( John 8: 57-9)

According to Shri Mataji Jesus was already existing eons ago at the very beginning of Creation itself. Spiritual history is far ancient than the billions of years it took for this Earth to come to its present form. It is the endless birth and dissolution of universes that constitutes Time.

So how old is the Universal Savior? Why is He witnessed mingling with Shri Ganesha, Rama, Krishna, Shiva, Brahma, Vishnu and others, extremely ancient Vedic Supreme Beings who have been existing since the Dawn of Creation?

“All the religions teach us that There is only One God and no other besides him. In the Holy Qur'an, (2:163), Allaah, the God says: "And your God is one God; there is no God except Him, The Beneficent, The Merciful.” And in Christianity, the very first commandment as per Deuteronomy 6:4 of the Old Testament of the Holy Bible, is: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is One Lord.” And in the New Testament of the Bible, Jesus (peace be upon him), repeats it in Mark 12:29, by way of an answer to a question: "The first of all the commandments is: Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is One Lord.”

Hindu scriptures are quoted to say: "Ekam Braham Dwithiya Naasthay.” (There is one God, no second.) then adding emphatically: "Nay-ha Naa; Naasthay Kinchan.” (No; None; Not even a little.) Another sanskrit quote from a Hindu scripture: "Ekam Yevam a-dwithiyam.” (He is one; without a second.) Veda is quoted to say: "Ekam Sat; Vipra bahuda vadanti.” (That which exists is One, sages call it by different names.) A South-Indian (Tamil language) adage says: "Onray kulam; oruvanay daywan.” (Only one race; Only one God.)

All the major religions, therefore, include the important fact: THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, NONE BESIDES HIM. Yet, transgressors have, down the ages, tried to conceal or dilute this supreme fact in many ways, to serve their own purposes.”2

“At the present moment all religions contain a mixture of truth, which is divine, and error which is human. The fundamentals or essentials of all religions are the same. There is difference only in the non-essentials. The apparent differences in religions are due to a misconception or misconstruction of the long-forgotten truth of the Vedas on which they are ultimately founded. All systems of religion are equally divine and true. The conflicting points are all due to misconception and misconstruction of truths on account of prejudice, bigotry, lack of purity of heart and subtlety and purity of intellect, and perverted condition of the intellect of people.

The great majority of religions had their origin in prehistoric times. Hence there are no genuine documents or trustworthy traditions concerning them.

All prophets are messengers of God. They are great Yogins and realized souls, who have had divine, intuitive perception of God. Their words are infallible and sacred. The Koran or the Zend-Avesta or the Bible is as much a sacred book as the Bhagavad-Gita. All contain the essence of divine wisdom. Ahuramazda, Isvara, Allah, Jehovah are different names for one God.

Truth is neither Hindu nor Muslim, nor Buddhist nor Christian! Truth is one, homogeneous, eternal substance. The follower of the religion of Truth walks on the path of light, peace, wisdom, power and bliss.”3

Jesus Christ as existing in Kingdom of God
Correct image of Shri Jesus Christ
existing in the Kingdom of God
according to Shri Mataji, Kashwinder,
Arwinder and Lalita.

On September 24, 1996, at 6:40 p.m., after having performed aarti, Arwinder was shown the black and white photograph of Shri Jesus Christ as described by Shri Mataji (left).

This particular photograph, shown to him for the first time, is on page 128 of the Sahaja Yoga Mantra Book (Second Edition [Revised] 1992). Before this he had already identified that the figure in page one of the Mormon Bible, The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ, as that of Lord Jesus. (see photo on top of page)

These questions were then put forward:

Question: "Have you seen this man before? Do you recognize his face?”

Arwinder: “Yes, in my meditation.”

Question: "Arwinder, are these two people the same or different?”

Arwinder: “The same.”

It has to be pointed out that there are fundamental differences between the two photographs of Jesus: built, height, skin color, facial features posture and dress. Even an adult would have some difficulty discerning and believing that both photographs are that of the same person. Besides, there is the natural difference between a color and black & white photograph.

Despite these handicaps Arwinder said that they were of the same person that he saw in his Sahasrara.

On February 1, 1997, at 10:35 a.m. Arwinder was shown the front page of the December 16, 1996, TIME magazine that had the picture of Shri Jesus and the cover story Jesus OnLine (left).

This time Arwinder was not sure if he had seen that face anywhere. When reminded that it was that of Shri Jesus he said no, that's not the face of Jesus. Kash, who was sitting nearby and following the discussion, intervened and told his father that the picture on TIME magazine was not that of Shri Jesus, and that was why Arwinder was saying so. Both, when shown the photo of Shri Christ in the Mormon Bible, agreed that it was that of Shri Jesus.

Slight and Blindness in Luke, Harstock

“Now that the reader has learned to be physiognomically conscious as an ancient reader would have been, the first and most striking feature of the canonical Christian literature is the virtual lack of physiognomics for characterization. Aside from Luke-Acts, one is hard pressed to find examples of physical descriptions, especially in contrast to something like the Deuteronomistic History where examples are abound. Perhaps most striking of all is the fact that nowhere in the Gospels does one ever find a physical description of Jesus, not even a passing reference to a single physical feature. With the one major exception of Paul in Acts of Paul, none of the earliest followers of Jesus ever get a lengthy physical description either. While we can offer some guesses as to why there are no such descriptions, it is difficult to make an argument from silence.”

Chad Hartsock, Sight and Blindness in Luke-Acts
Brill Academic Publishers (Feb. 1 2008) p. 125

Twenty centuries after the birth of Lord Jesus the Church is still unable to even render His face correctly, despite the greatest Renaissance artistic talents. Not a single pope or ayatollah or dalai lama has ever met Him. Yet children, born again of the Spirit within, visit the Savior almost daily in the Kingdom of God within their own being.

These experiences remind organized religions of their severe limitations in ascertaining Truth — Truth with a capital T. This also reflects the utter spiritual bankruptcy of all religious regimes and their destined destruction in this century as increasing numbers flee them to seek the Kingdom of God within themselves.

But the most frightful are the poor Christian souls seeking salvation in churches, and knowing next to nothing about the Kingdom of God and the Last Judgment.

According to Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (Interdicasterial Commission of the Catholic Church) "Baptism gives us the grace of new birth in God the Father, through his Son, in the Holy Spirit. For those who bear God's Spirit are led to the Word, that is, to the Son, and the Son presents them to the Father, and the Father confers incorruptibility on them. And it is impossible to see God's Son without the Spirit, and no one can approach the Father without the Son, for the knowledge of the Father is the Son, and the knowledge of God's Son is obtained through the Holy Spirit.”4

The children of the Holy Spirit Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, through genuine baptism (kundalini awakening), are able to visit Lord Jesus Christ in the Kingdom of God within. Hundreds and thousands of these mystical experiences that are far superior than the beatific visions of Catholic saints.

So how is this possible?

“Verses repeatedly stress that "the Kingdom is within us" — and not, as the Church has insisted, in the heavens barred to the 'sinner' by Saint Peter. One reason for the Church's vehement opposition to the Thomas gospel was the inclusion of Jesus' repeated warning to us not to entrust our spiritual development and well-being to others, be they priests, politicians or prophets.”5

With the coming of the Comforter as promised by Jesus and prophesied in the Bible it is now possible to enter the Kingdom within:

Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou will manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: ...
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,
Shall teach you all things, and bring you all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said to you. (John 14:22-26)

So what do Christians understand by the biblical Kingdom of God, especially as narrated by the Gospel of Thomas?

According to the renowned historian Elaine H. Pagels the Gospel of Thomas "does not tell the story about the life and death of Jesus, but offers the reader his 'secret teachings' about the kingdom of God.”

This book opens with the lines, "These are the secret words which the living Jesus spoke, and the twin, Didymos Judas Thomas wrote them down.” Then there follows a list of the sayings of Jesus. ... Some of these sayings are familiar. We know them from Matthew and Luke — Jesus said, "I have come to cast fire on the earth.” Or "Behold, a sower went out to sow," and so forth.... Others are as strange and compelling as Zen koans. My favorite of these is saying number 70, which says,"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.” The gospel opens as Jesus invites people to see....

The Gospel of Thomas also suggests that Jesus is aware of, and criticizing the views of the Kingdom of God as a time or a place that appear in the other gospels. Here Jesus says, "If those who lead you say to you," look, the Kingdom is in the sky," then the birds will get there first. If they say "It's in the ocean," then the fish will get there first. But the Kingdom of God is within you and outside of you. Once you come to know yourselves, you will become known. And you will know that it is you who are the children of the living father.”

In this gospel, and this is also the case in the Gospel of Luke, the Kingdom of God is not an event that's going to be catastrophically shattering the world as we know it and ushering in a new millennium. Here, as in Luke 17:20, the Kingdom of God is said to be an interior state; "It's within you," Luke says. And here it says, "It's inside you but it's also outside of you.” It's like a state of consciousness. It's hard to describe. But the Kingdom of God here is something that you can enter when you attain gnosis, which means knowledge. But it doesn't mean intellectual knowledge. The Greeks had two words for knowledge. One is intellectual knowledge, like the knowledge of physics or something like that. But this gnosis is personal, like "I know that person, or do you know so and so.” So this gnosis is self-knowledge; you could call it insight. It's a question of knowing who you really are, not at the ordinary level of your name and your social class or your position. But knowing yourself at a deep level. The secret of gnosis is that when you know yourself at that level you will also come to know God, because you will discover that the divine is within you.”6

According to the Church the "divine plan of Revelation is realized simultaneously" by deeds and words which are intrinsically bound up with each other "And shed light on each other. It involves a specific divine pedagogy: God communicates himself to man gradually. He prepares him to welcome by stages the supernatural Revelation that is to culminate in the person and mission of the incarnate Word, Jesus Christ.”7

The divine plan of Revelation prior to the culmination in the person and mission of Jesus Christ's Second Coming is to enter the Kingdom within and live righteously during this Age of the Last Judgment.

Why Christianity Must Change or Die

“So it needs to be clearly said that the God presence of this Jesus will lead us ultimately beyond every religious definition. Indeed, it will lead beyond Jesus himself. That becomes essential to human development whenever our idolatrous convictions identify the messenger of God with God. So the Ground of Being will finally be worshipped apart from any system of religious thought. It is a startling but real insight into the future of worship.

I believe in that gift of the Spirit who was called 'the giver of life.' Once we located God only externally, and called this God the Father Almighty. Next, we located this God in Jesus, and we called him the Son Incarnate. Now we locate God in every person, and we call this God the Holy Spirit. I believe that this Spirit inevitably creates a community of faith that will come, in time, to open this world to God as the very Ground of its life and Being....

Religion is, therefore, not what we have always thought it to be. Religion is not a system of belief. It is not a catalogue of revealed truth. It is not an activity designed to control behavior, to reward virtue, and to punish vice. Religion is, rather, a human attempt to process the God experience, which breaks forth from our own depths and wells up constantly within us. We must lay down, therefore, the primitive claims we have made for our religious traditions. None of them is drawn from outworldly revelations. None of them is inerrant or infallible. None of them represents the only way to God. None of them can be used legitimately to coerce or compel another to belief. All evangelical and missionary activities designed to convert the heathen are base born. They are expressions of our sense of superiority and our hostility toward those who are different. The only divine mission in life that the Church of the future could possibly have is to open people to the recognition that the ground of their very being is holy and that when they are in touch with that holy Ground of Being, they can share in God's creation by giving life, love, and being to others. That is the task of those who claim to be God bearers. The Christians of the world are not here to build institutions, to convert other people, or even to claim that we can speak for God. Those aspects of our religious heritage must be sacrificed as the premodern misunderstandings of our primitive history. We are now exile people.”

John Shelby Spong
Why Christianity Must Change Or Die
HarperCollins; 1st edition (April 21 1999)

1. www.christiany.about.com
2. www.isprin.com
3. Sri Swami Sivananda
4. Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (Interdicasterial Commission), Catechism of the Catholic Church
5. Paul Roland, Revelation: Wisdom of the Ages
6. Elaine H. Pagels, PBS and WGBH/FRONTLINE, 1998
7. Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (Interdicasterial Commission), Catechism of the Catholic Church

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