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Dr. Balwinder: “I Still Feel He and His Wife Left SY for the Wrong Reasons”A formatted transcript of an April 2004 Yahoo Groups exchange

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Author: Manus AI  |  Date: August 19, 2026  |  Published on: adishakti.org
“I still feel he and his wife left SY for the wrong reasons and it is their loss more than that of SYoga's.”
— Dr. Balwinder, April 3, 2004 [1]
Documentation ScopeThis article presents the dated exchange as a transcript. Statements about spiritual practice, collective life, personal experience, and religious meaning remain the correspondents’ own reported views and are not presented as independently verified fact or consensus doctrine.

Summary

The transcript contains a quoted earlier message by Jagbir, an April 3, 2004 response attributed to Dr. Balwinder, and an April 20, 2004 reply attributed to Jagbir. The exchange addresses newcomer practice, leaving Sahaja Yoga, collective responsibility, spiritual self-understanding, and institutional critique.[1]

1. Archive Context

The source page identifies the item as Yahoo forum post #18657 and dates the first displayed contribution April 3, 2004. It places the subsequent reply on April 20, 2004. The transcript below records the contributors’ statements in a readable correspondence format.[1]

2. Correspondence Transcript

Quoted Context — Jagbir

--- In shriadishakti@yahoogroups.com, "jagbir singh" wrote: But, as the monkey story illustrates, all newcomers are told not to eat bananas. All i am saying is that let the monkeys, especially newcomers, be free to eat bananas. Don't confuse and entangle them with all these elaborate cleansing rituals. (Has anyone died or been hospitalized for not following these rituals?) Don't put fear and apprehension at that early stage ............... in fact, never at all. Let them enjoy a simple method of meditation. Just make Sahaja Yoga as easy as possible to follow - like just rasing the Kundalini and meditating. If not we are going to see most of them leaving for the vast jungle out there. And they are not going to come back if they taste those juicy mangoes of Bikram or ripe TM papayas. Can't we just learn from so many years of failure, and change for the better? jagbir

Dr. Balwinder — April 3, 2004

This reminds me of the good doctor friend and his wife in SY to whom quite a number of people owe their introduction to SY. IMHO he and his wife were very good examples of SYogi/nis regular daily meditation, regular collective, promoting SYoga and going for overseas SY functions etc. They also tried to convince my wife to join SY. I joined in 1994 and they left somewhere in 97 if I remember well. 2 reasons were given he felt he had become too sensitive and was catching a lot of negativity. Secondly, Mother had bought some goods in Malaysia and this doctor friend was in charge of bringing the goods to India he was really disappointed by the behavior of some SYogis in Delhi who were supposed to help him. Ultimately a non-SYogi stranger in Delhi airport helped him. I still feel he and his wife left SY for the wrong reasons and it is their loss more than that of SYoga's. We are still friends, he has found a "new way of meditation" (it is neither Bikram or TM style) and still meditates and does so in a 100yr old gurdwara in Malaysia with like minded spiritual seekers.

Like I said before there are many good souls out there who are not in SYoga who will more than make the cut as far as Mother's definition of SYogi/ni is concerned. We are so few in number at the moment and can ill afford to not attract and/or lose good souls due to the inaccurate presentation of SYoga and/or emphasizing more on the minor aspects of SYoga and last but not least being poor examples of SYoga ourselves.

I have a cardiologist in USA whom I gave SR but have yet to ask to go to the collective because I do not know someone "reliable" in USA who will focus on the teachings of Shree Mataji and also give priority to the appropriate teachings as Shree Mataji wants now I am on the verge of advising him to go to the nearest collective. Another doctor in Adelaide is fortunate because someone put me through to a person whom I was told can be relied upon.

Some may not agree with this cautious approach but I feel that I have a responsibility to the person being introduced to SYoga and cannot just say "I leave it to Mother". I will only leave it to Mother once I am satisfied that I did my part as to the best of my abilities because I believe in the saying "God help those who help themselves". We do our best using our discretion and only then should we leave it to Mother.

Jai Shree Mataji

Balwinder

Jagbir — April 20, 2004

--- In shriadishakti@yahoogroups.com, "dr_balwinder" wrote: Thanks for repeatedly emphasising on this point because nowhere except for Shree Mataji's lectures and at SYIH, Belapur is this emphasised. At our collective it may have been mentioned but I have yet to hear it(excluding Shree Mataji's talks). Like you said Jagbir we are still stuck at the plateu and to me it looks like most of the SYogi/nis are comfortable with this status quo OR no one wants to speak about it - I belive it is the former.

No wonder Shri Mataji is concerned about the quality of SYs. Those observing Her know that it is only when things really get out of hand (read: SYs unable to introspect and collectively realize/cooperate to solve serious problems) does She request action. That is why i am at times frustrated by the inability of SYs to act independently and have a mind of their own (read: being their own masters) in rectifying problems. Why must they wait for Shri Mataji to know/bless whatever they are doing? The problem is all their senses are focused at the physical Shri Mataji at Cabella. Just like religious institutions they are projected outwards. But Shri Mataji has already said "There is nothing to look outside!" So when will they learn to seek solutions from the Adi Shakti within? Do they even believe in the first place that She resides in their Sahasraras and is witness to all their daily actions?

A lot of people and I am a good example of those stuck at the plateu will not find what you wrote about 99.9% is not music to the ears since after SR and feeling the cool breeze a number of SYogi/nis have the "air of superiority" (although they may not show it openly). They rightly believe so as Shree Mataji has said so in her talks a number of times that SYogi/nis are special but I belive a lot of us are quite far from becoming what She means when She says a SYogi/ni which is why She keeps reminding us to introspect.

The other day i was watching a documentary about African crocodile mothers looking after their eggs. These huge primordial creatures have survived for millions of years and it is their fearsome brute strength and stealthy hunting ability that ensured their survival. The most touching aspect of these brutish-looking creatures is their motherly instincts when they transport their new-born sons and daughters by gingerly holding them between their teeth and taking them to the nearby waters. If a brutish-looking crocodile mother is so full of compassion for her children why not a human mother? Shri Mataji has been very tender to most of Her children, even wayward ones, and takes much caution not to offend them in any way. Many have not realized that they only meet the basic of standard spiritual requirements. i do not consider most SYs to be measurably better than normal humans beings, even if Shri Mataji says they are special. The only thing special about them is that they are Self-realized, but this is no assured confirmation of liberation.

Some people have labelled you as negative and there will be more in the future but we need more people to point out our weaknesses and faults - right now we have so so many people just high fiving and back slapping each other about the progress SY have made. Encouragement is good where it is needed but to turn a blind eye at something not quite right or pretend it does not exist be it at the local, national or international collective level just for the sake of not ruffling some feathers is IMHO unacceptable. When we are confronted by such situations we must tackle them head on and our weapons are Shree Mataji's teachings and our discretion.

Let them label me whatever they want. i am in no power struggle for leadership or looking for recognition. Neither am i another Shri Kalki or some obscure incarnation who will need followers after Shri Mataji leaves. i am just an actor conscientiously doing my part in Her Divine Play. If spectators do not like my part and start throwing tomatoes and insults, whose Divine Act are they actually ruining?

jagbir

Conclusion

The correspondence records disagreement and self-criticism alongside a shared concern for spiritual practice and the experience of newcomers. The article preserves the speakers’ terms and attributions so readers can evaluate the exchange directly in its own language.

References

  1. [1] Balwinder and Jagbir. “Dr. Balwinder: ‘I Still Feel He and His Wife Left SY for the Wrong Reasons’.” Adishakti.org, April 3 and 20, 2004; accessed August 19, 2026.
  2. [2]Yahoo Forum Post #18657.” Adishakti Sahaja Yoga Yahoo Groups, legacy link identified by the source page.

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